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#1081 Rob Randall

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Posted Yesterday, 04:47 PM

Good Lord, what does that even mean?


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#1082 Victoria Watcher

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Posted Yesterday, 06:10 PM

The greatest threat we have to democracy is the MSM. Forget about Russians spending $1,000 on facebook campaigns when you have what would in effect be billions of dollars of attention created by the MSM on fake stories designed to swing public opinion from one candidate or party to another.

yes. but it’s always been that way. oh ya you can say the msm is more biased one way or the other now to the extremes. but at least there are more sources now. not just the big three networks and your daily newspaper. sometimes I cringe when I see fox bashing cnn but it’s good. or when fox quotes Washington post to drive home a point “even wapo says”. so consumers know to take info cautiously.

here’s one thing we learned about left media and the last election. if they would have ignored trump Hillary would have won. but msm still wanted the ratings of everything-trump.

and it does not matter who emerges on the left this time be it Beto or Kamala trump will still get 5x the coverage.

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#1083 Cassidy

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Posted Today, 06:32 AM

The greatest threat we have to democracy is the MSM. Forget about Russians spending $1,000 on facebook campaigns when you have what would in effect be billions of dollars of attention created by the MSM on fake stories designed to swing public opinion from one candidate or party to another.  

Anybody who gets their news delivered via the internet, television, or newspaper ... and who can't parse the actual truth from the material they're reading by doing just a tiny bit of research is a moron.

 

There is no MSM threat to anybody, and pretending there is a threat is directly from the Trump playbook, and is in and of itself the biggest threat of all.


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#1084 Victoria Watcher

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Posted Today, 07:29 AM


and it does not matter who emerges on the left this time be it Beto or Kamala trump will still get 5x the coverage.


right on cue this morning.

#1085 Mike K.

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Posted Today, 08:08 AM

Anybody who gets their news delivered via the internet, television, or newspaper ... and who can't parse the actual truth from the material they're reading by doing just a tiny bit of research is a moron.


It’s not quite that simple, as evidenced last Friday.

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#1086 Victoria Watcher

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Posted Today, 08:28 AM

Anybody who gets their news delivered via the internet, television, or newspaper ... and who can't parse the actual truth from the material they're reading by doing just a tiny bit of research is a moron.

l.


but that would describe most citizens though. and voters.

#1087 spanky123

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Posted Today, 08:36 AM

Anybody who gets their news delivered via the internet, television, or newspaper ... and who can't parse the actual truth from the material they're reading by doing just a tiny bit of research is a moron.

 

There is no MSM threat to anybody, and pretending there is a threat is directly from the Trump playbook, and is in and of itself the biggest threat of all.

 

So how do you parse fabricated stories on CNN or in the NYT? Is the average reader supposed to know that the journalists are just making things up or that the videos they show have been edited?

 

This is more than just political bias and I disputed that this has been happened all along anywhere close to this extent.



#1088 Cassidy

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Posted Today, 08:47 AM

....... or that the videos they show have been edited?

Kind of like the special effects editing done on the video of Jim Acosta in the White House briefing room?

Everything cuts both ways, which is essentially why things are so simple to analyze for the truth.

 

With the amount of high quality and accurate information readily available, you have to be thick in the head to be fooled by anybody these days.



#1089 Cassidy

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Posted Today, 08:51 AM

It’s not quite that simple, as evidenced last Friday.

Did you fall for that? ... I didn't.

 

If you actually dug even a fraction of an inch into the story, there was plenty of reference online to the group of radical black protesters who were (in effect) inciting the entire affair.

Too, if you bother to investigate even a little further today, you'll discover that the kid with the shit eating grin on his face may not be quite as innocent as he is claiming to be.

In other words, the truth is an amalgam of all the stories being reported (by everybody), with each story biased in favor of the point of view the reporter wishes to put across.

 

The tilting at windmills over "left wing media" is such a total waste of time when there's plenty of right wing media to access in order to get your balanced point of view, and ultimately ... the facts as best as any third party can know them.


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#1090 RFS

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Posted Today, 08:54 AM

Did you fall for that? ... I didn't.

 

If you actually dug even a fraction of an inch into the story, there was plenty of reference online to the group of radical black protesters who were (in effect) inciting the entire affair.

Too, if you bother to investigate even a little further today, you'll discover that the kid with the shit eating grin on his face may not be quite as innocent as he is claiming to be.

In other words, the truth is an amalgam of all the stories being reported (by everybody), with each story biased in favor of the point of view the reporter wishes to put across.

 

The tilting at windmills over "left wing media" is such a total waste of time when there's plenty of right wing media to access in order to get your balanced point of view, and ultimately ... the facts as best as any third party can know them.

 

I think Mike was referring to the Buzzfeed story that was bought hook line and sinker by every pundit, media corp, and average trump hater



#1091 Victoria Watcher

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Posted Today, 08:54 AM

he might refer the the buzzfeed story that all the other media ran with. Until suddenly on Friday there was no story.
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#1092 Cassidy

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Posted Today, 09:04 AM

I think Mike was referring to the Buzzfeed story that was bought hook line and sinker by every pundit, media corp, and average trump hater

Ahhh, that one. My mistake.

Buzzfeed isn't in my bookmarks ... but I'll admit I took the story at face value initially.

 

I'm still somewhat suspect about the Mueller retraction though, as Buzzfeed (the organization, not the reporters themselves)  has indicated strongly that they stand by their story, and the contents of that story will be borne out.

 

As might confirm my point above, I'm sure there's much more to the story than either "side" is reporting currently ... and for those citizens compelled to investigate, the available facts are likely spread across multiple news site, as reported by multiple reporters (each reporter with their own different political bent).



#1093 Mike K.

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Posted Today, 09:12 AM

The BullFood issue was unprecedented in that Mueller actually took them out back for a lashing. What we see time and time again is journalists correcting their peers when they run with fake stories, but that hardly has the effect Mueller stepping into the ring had.

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#1094 spanky123

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Posted Today, 09:18 AM

The BullFood issue was unprecedented in that Mueller actually took them out back for a lashing. What we see time and time again is journalists correcting their peers when they run with fake stories, but that hardly has the effect Mueller stepping into the ring had.

 

And even after Mueller discredited the story, papers such as the Globe and Mail and Bloomberg continued to promote the discredited versions of events. CNN to their credit backed off.



#1095 Rob Randall

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Posted Today, 09:22 AM

It probably has something to do with info Cohen gave the SDNY that Mueller doesn't have or can't reveal. So he's not saying it didn't happen, just that it didn't come from his office. Normally his office doesn't comment but what BuzzFeed News is reporting is impeachable.

 

Interesting that Cohen has been silent about this incident, but when a report came out recently that Cohen's phone pinged in Prague he emphatically denied it even though he had no reason to cover up any more.


Edited by Rob Randall, Today, 09:22 AM.

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#1096 Cassidy

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Posted Today, 09:25 AM

Can we stop the breathless pretending that Mueller's office actually revealed anything important?

Because Mueller won't release any details of his report until he releases the entire report, all Mueller's office denied in regards to the Buzzfeed story was "certain aspects" of the Buzzfeed report weren't accurate.

They didn't say which parts, and they certainly didn't say the entire report.

 

We have no better idea today than we had a week ago as to what's actually going on.

The truth will be contained in Mueller's final report.

 

The only real dishonest aspect related to what's currently going on is when pundits pretend to know something they can't actually know.



#1097 Mike K.

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Posted Today, 09:30 AM

The only real dishonest aspect related to what's currently going on is when pundits pretend to know something they can't actually know.


Agreed. Spanky123 just had a different way of expressing that sentiment when he spoke about the effect the MSM has on society.
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#1098 Rob Randall

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Posted Today, 09:49 AM

Good to keep in mind that Woodward and Bernstein made a major screw up with one of the Watergate stories.

 

They reported about grand jury testimony regarding the control of a slush fund. Except that that fact was never told to the grand jury, it came from a source that never told the grand jury. Their source was the FBI but the agent's account was confusing. Basic reporting mistake.

 

It was a major screw up for the Post and it almost derailed their entire investigation because it gave Nixon a golden opportunity to legitimately say a story was 100% provably false even though it was later proven true that a slush fund was controlled by an aide.

 

From what I've read a similar scenario might be playing out here.


Edited by Rob Randall, Today, 09:53 AM.

"[Randall's] aesthetic poll was more accurate than his political acumen"

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#1099 Mike K.

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Posted Today, 10:04 AM

The two authors have already contradicted themselves over whether or not they saw actual documents, so there’s little left to dissect here. They screwed up and they screwed up badly.

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