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#1501 Cassidy

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Posted 18 April 2019 - 04:39 PM

Here is the Mueller report basically saying that there was obstruction, but it was obstruction that fell outside of Mueller's domain to advance further as per Justice Department POLICY.

 

"The conclusion that Congress may apply the obstruction laws to the President's corrupt exercise of the powers of office accords with out constitutional system of checks and balances and the principle that no person is above the law".



#1502 Greg

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Posted 18 April 2019 - 04:52 PM

Did you catch the part where there was an independent, non-Steele dossier reference to the pee tape? Or the part where they basically didn't indict members of the Trump family because they were too dumb to know they were breaking laws. 

 

Man I hope I never get "exonerated" like this.


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#1503 Cassidy

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Posted 18 April 2019 - 05:01 PM

Mueller's report really does paint the entire Trump clan as akin to that backwoods family that all the neighbours know makes moonshine on the weekends, but because they're a little thick in the head - the local sheriff always cuts them a break.



#1504 Mike K.

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Posted 18 April 2019 - 05:04 PM

When you put it that way, it makes Clinton’s loss even more remarkable, lol.
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#1505 SimonH

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Posted 18 April 2019 - 05:44 PM

mmm, I can smell your desperation


Deflection.

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#1506 RFS

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Posted 18 April 2019 - 06:11 PM

Deflection.


Pot, meet kettle

#1507 SimonH

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Posted 18 April 2019 - 06:19 PM

Pot, meet kettle


Oh dear, found your Muslim fire starter yet ?

#1508 RFS

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Posted 18 April 2019 - 06:24 PM

Oh dear, found your Muslim fire starter yet ?


No no they assured us it was an accident about an hour into the fire while it was still uncontrollably blazing so I'm glad you're okay with that assessment!
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#1509 SimonH

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Posted 18 April 2019 - 06:41 PM

No no they assured us it was an accident about an hour into the fire while it was still uncontrollably blazing so I'm glad you're okay with that assessment!


One hour later,still blazing uncontrollably and from 8000 km away your assessment is it's most likely muslims. Come on.
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#1510 sdwright.vic

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Posted 18 April 2019 - 07:14 PM

...and will never be anything else.

Everything is a cover up... except if it involves Trump. THEN it is #fakenews
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#1511 RFS

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Posted 18 April 2019 - 10:39 PM

As usual, those who hate Trump are doing their best to muddy the waters. Unfortunately for them, the facts are as follows: The special council spent 2 long years searching for evidence that a crime occured, and found no evidence of that crime. That was the purpose of the investigation, and that is where it ends. Anyone who continues to pursue the collusion narrative simply exposes themselves as partisan shills incapable of impartial thought.
So now the media and democrat officials who made accusations of treason, pursued wild Russia conspiracy theories, claimed to have seen iron clad evidence of collusion with their own eyes, and basically lied for 2 years all while giving themselves Pullitzer prizes, instead of contrition and admission of error, are instead pushing the 'intent to obstruct' narrative in an attempt to save face and make themselves look less ridiculous.
If there were any proof of obstruction, it would have been in the report and charges would have been brought. The fact is that Mueller had no proof, and saying "well he had no proof there WASNT intent to obstruct" is simply not the way this works.
In summation, this damaging and subversive event is over, and if the democrat party wants any chance of defeating Trump in 2020 they would be wise to move on and begin talking about actual substantive issues.
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#1512 Cassidy

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Posted 18 April 2019 - 11:49 PM

If there were any proof of obstruction, it would have been in the report and charges would have been brought. 

That's incorrect.

Justice Department policy states that a sitting President cannot be indicted, and Mueller is a "by the book" guy ... so he didn't indict Trump as per the Justice Department edict he was obliged to follow.

That's why Mueller made it crystal clear to Congress in his report that they were free to indict Trump if they so choose, and free to use the abundance of evidence gathered in the probe against Trump.

 

The entire matter is far more complicated than you appear to want it to be, and your flexibility on Trumps honesty and integrity tends to substantially weaken your argument.



#1513 RFS

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Posted 19 April 2019 - 12:06 AM

That's incorrect.
Justice Department policy states that a sitting President cannot be indicted, and Mueller is a "by the book" guy ... so he didn't indict Trump as per the Justice Department edict he was obliged to follow.
That's why Mueller made it crystal clear to Congress in his report that they were free to indict Trump if they so choose, and free to use the abundance of evidence gathered in the probe against Trump.

The entire matter is far more complicated than you appear to want it to be, and your flexibility on Trumps honesty and integrity tends to substantially weaken your argument.


Sorry, he either has a case on obstruction or he doesn't. And he doesn't. This was also made abundantly clear by the AG, close friend of Mueller. Or is he a Russian agent too?

#1514 Victoria Watcher

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Posted 19 April 2019 - 06:19 AM

In summation, this damaging and subversive event is over, and if the democrat party wants any chance of defeating Trump in 2020 they would be wise to move on and begin talking about actual substantive issues.

 

oh they are going to be very busy eating each other for the next year or so to get to a candidate.  not sure any substantive issues are coming forward until after that.

 

recent polls show biden and sanders far ahead.

 

https://www.realclea...s/latest_polls/

 

everyone else in single digits.  but the progressives of the party don't want either of those two.  they'll likely foolishly nominate another and then trump will cruise to victory.  if democrats had just been smart instead of stubborn and cheating they would have sanders as president right now.  and then russian collusion would have been seen instead as a positive as the country moves towards communism nearer their soviet brothers.


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#1515 Hotel Mike

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Posted 19 April 2019 - 08:49 AM

The Special Counsel's mandate was to look at how America's electoral system was compromised by Russia. There are many, many crimes that have been uncovered. A dozen Russians have indictments, having committed a serious crime in messing with elections and hacking computers. Trump's campaign manager is in prison, his personal lawyer is about to go to prison, and many others who are associated with Trump are facing trial or sentencing. Mueller is saying in his report that there is not enough evidence of criminal activity that would prove, beyond a reasonable doubt, that a crime has been committed. But just barely. Mueller goes out of his way to say that there is plenty of activity that is questionable and that he cannot exonerate Trump. He refers his findings to Congress to decide on whether impeachment proceedings are called for.

 

So is that your standard RFS? His actions are so beneath the office he holds, so questionable, so nasty... but not quite indictable. He lied, many times. He asked those who work for him to lie. And there are all the things that aren't even in the Mueller report. Telling the border patrol to break the law, and if they get charged he'll pardon them. Meeting with Putin in private and confiscating any notes. But go on. Keep defending him.


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#1516 Jason-L

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Posted Today, 10:49 AM

The Legal Eagle takes a look at the Mueller Report from a lawyer's perspective. 


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#1517 Mattjvd

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Posted Today, 04:56 PM

The Legal Eagle takes a look at the Mueller Report from a lawyer's perspective.


A great watch, for someone like myself who isn't a legal expect. The investigation came down to determining "not guilty" or "not not guilty" because DoJ policy is to not indict a sitting president. Gather evidence and pass it to congress, so congress can make that decision.
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