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[Bingo]

President Trump announced on Twitter that he will allow the release of thousands of classified documents about the assassination of President John F. Kennedy after years of delays.

The unexpected move means the trove of never-before-seen documents are set to be released by the National Archives by Oct. 26.

Congress mandated in 1992 that all assassination documents be released within 25 years, unless the president asserts that doing so would harm intelligence, law enforcement, military operations or foreign relations.

https://www.cbsnews....fied-documents/

 

[Bingo]

It was the guys on the grassy knoll.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mn60YWO218k

[amor de cosmos]

i'm sure someone who got henry kissinger's endorsement wouldn't do something like that

[sebberry]

Maybe we can put to bed the theory that there were two shooters.

[todd]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FnkdfFAqsHA

 

 

 

 

Operation Northwoods - What would Trump do?

 

 

 

 

[todd]

Maybe we can put to bed the theory that there were two shooters.

Maybe but then it will give birth to a few hundred more.

[johnk]

This is stuff from the archives. The real meat is in the huge chunk of the Warren Commission that is under wraps until about 2040, 75 years after the Commission reported. 95% of the adults alive on Nov 22/63 won't be around when that happens.

Why? I suspect there's findings/conclusions that would have been deeply disturbing or destabilizing at the time. Like a coup d'etat involving rogue CIA, organized crime and disgruntled Cubans.

All of them had axes to grind against JFK and may have felt a southerner (LBJ) would be more sympathetic to their causes. In the end LBJ passed civil rights and destroyed the democrats in the
south paving the way for Nixon and a sharp right turn which brought things to where they are.

Edited by johnk, 21 October 2017 - 03:57 PM.

[todd]

This is stuff from the archives. The real meat is in the huge chunk of the Warren Commission that is under wraps until about 2040, 75 years after the Commission reported. 95% of the adults alive on Nov 22/63 won't be around when that happens.

Why? I suspect there's findings/conclusions that would have been deeply disturbing or destabilizing at the time. Like a coup d'etat involving rogue CIA, organized crime and disgruntled Cubans.

All of them had axes to grind against JFK and may have felt a southerner (LBJ) would be more sympathetic to their causes. In the end LBJ passed civil rights and destroyed the democrats in the
south paving the way for Nixon and a sharp right turn which brought things to where they are.

 

Who currently has access to the info?

[johnk]

Who currently has access to the info?

No one. It is sealed until the time comes which the Warren Commission set at 75 years. Not sure whether that's 75 from the date of the event or 75 from the day the Report was finalized and released. In any event few adults will be alive who remember it and would freak out at the findings.

[Bingo]

No one. It is sealed until the time comes which the Warren Commission set at 75 years. Not sure whether that's 75 from the date of the event or 75 from the day the Report was finalized and released. In any event few adults will be alive who remember it and would freak out at the findings.

 

Anyone who knows where the files are and what's in them is probably dead.

[todd]

Anyone who knows where the files are and what's in them is probably dead.

Only reason I haven’t solved the case yet.

[amor de cosmos]

this graph from lance dehaven-smith's 'conspiracy theory in america' sure tells us a thing or two

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[Bingo]

No surprise here. The people don't need to know that if they still need to keep things TOP SECRET from back then...

...there is no need to find out what is going on in the secret rooms of government today. Conspiracy theories and smoke-screens have yet to dissipate . 

Trump's memo

"I am ordering today that the veil finally be lifted" on the records, the memo said. "At the same time, executive departments and agencies have proposed to me that certain information should continue to be redacted because of national security, law enforcement, and foreign affairs concerns. I have no choice -- today -- but to accept those redactions rather than allow potentially irreversible harm to our nation's security."

http://www.cnn.com/2...rump/index.html

 

[todd]

this graph from lance dehaven-smith's 'conspiracy theory in america' sure tells us a thing or two

 

Look at the year the online forum format was created  .

[Rob Randall]

There might not be any bombshells, even in the redacted files. They could have been withheld simply because shady or illegal means we're used to gather the information. It's the same reason LBJ couldn't go public with his knowledge that Nixon secretly sabotaged the Vietnam peace talks.

[AllseeingEye]

This is all very common among pretty much.....everyone, Britain above all. Speculation for decades has been that as a result of the "Crystal intercepts" Churchill may have known or at least strongly suspected the Pearl Harbour attack in advance, opting not to tip off the Americans so as to ensure their entry into WWII. Many of the documents related to that time remain sealed until at least the mid-21st century and beyond.

 

Since 1958 in the UK in theory all secret/top secret documentation is supposed to be released to the public within 30 years.

 

Whether that actually happens is another matter. Regardless anything prior to that date is essentially grandfathered and it is a fact that in a facility at Hanslope Park shared between MI5, MI6 and the Foreign & Commonwealth Office (FCO) there are assuredly documents as yet to see the light of day that date back to the 17th Century - detailing everything from wartime military and intelligence operations and technological secrets to events in Northern Ireland, The Falklands War, Britain's withdrawal from Empire post-1945, not to mention a plethora of documents and details of not so gentlemanly acts conducted over the previous three centuries by various Imperial (British) Governments and Authorities. 

[Rob Randall]

Not related to the assassination but this CIA agent stationed in Mexico had a challenging marriage and sympathetic mother-in-law:

https://www.archives...id-32355931.pdf

[RFS]

KGB did not believe it was the action of one man, rather a large conspiracy with Lyndon B Johnson behind it

http://www.nydailyne...ticle-1.3592501

“Our sources added that in instructions from Moscow, it was indicated that ‘now’ the KGB was in possession of data purporting to indicate President Johnson was responsible for the assassination of the late President John F. Kennedy,” one part of the document reads, citing intelligence from 1965.

[amor de cosmos]

distributed to media assets in 1967, with instructions to destroy when no longer needed
 

CIA Document #1035-960, marked "PSYCH" for presumably Psychological Warfare Operations, in the division "CS", the Clandestine Services, sometimes known as the "dirty tricks" department.

*snip*

2. This trend of opinion is a matter of concern to the U.S. government, including our organization. The members of the Warren Commission were naturally chosen for their integrity, experience and prominence. They represented both major parties, and they and their staff were deliberately drawn from all sections of the country. Just because of the standing of the Commissioners, efforts to impugn their rectitude and wisdom tend to cast doubt on the whole leadership of American society. Moreover, there seems to be an increasing tendency to hint that President Johnson himself, as the one person who might be said to have benefited, was in some way responsible for the assassination. Innuendo of such seriousness affects not only the individual concerned, but also the whole reputation of the American government. Our organization itself is directly involved: among other facts, we contributed information to the investigation. Conspiracy theories have frequently thrown suspicion on our organization, for example by falsely alleging that Lee Harvey Oswald worked for us. The aim of this dispatch is to provide material countering and discrediting the claims of the conspiracy theorists, so as to inhibit the circulation of such claims in other countries. Background information is supplied in a classified section and in a number of unclassified attachments.

https://www.realhist...fk/cia-inst.htm

[johnk]

Anyone who knows where the files are and what's in them is probably dead.

I think that was the idea.