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[rjag]

https://www.reuters....w-idUSKBN1OH277

 

In office since 2014, Michel lost the support of the biggest party in his coalition, the Flemish N-VA, last week in protest at his support of a U.N. pact to foster cooperation over the world’s 21 million refugees.

 

 

Heres a relatively stable country with compulsory voting and a very strange prop rep system. Fascinating to see how many splinter groups are represented and how they have to form coalitions.

 

https://en.wikipedia...ons_and_parties

 

Does it make better government? Is life better or are taxes more 'fair'? Not sure, sounds like the same old nonsense just more cats to herd and false promises to make.

[Jackerbie]

Results will be announced at 2:30 today

[jonny]

I have been under the assumption that prop rep was an inevitability here on the left coast ever since the GreeNDP CASA deal. Feels weird now that the decision is upon us and SO MANY people seem to think it won't pass. 

[Victoria Watcher]

here is the problem with the questions.

 

• are you in favour of more wildlife being introduced to your neighbourhood?  y/n
• if y then choose they type of wildlife you desire - choose one only

a. birds

b. deer

c. bears

Edited by Victoria Watcher, 20 December 2018 - 01:25 PM.

[Bernard]

here is the problem with the questions.

 

• are you in favour of more wildlife being introduced to your neighbourhood?  y/n
• if y then choose they type of wildlife you desire - choose one only

a. birds

b. deer

c. bears

And I want wolves or caribou!    I really do not want any of the other three so I I have vote No even though I want wildlife

[Jackerbie]

I find it was more of a 

• Do you want to keep your orange juice or trade for a beer?
• Rank these beers
  • Molson Canadian
  • An IPA you have never heard of and that hasn't been brewed yet
  • A pale ale you have never heard of and that hasn't been brewed yet

If you want a different juice, well that's not an option. If you want a Blue Buck, well that's not an option.

[rjag]

should have just tossed a coin and been done with it.

[Victoria Watcher]

And I want wolves or caribou!    I really do not want any of the other three so I I have vote No even though I want wildlife

 

or you want birds but are scared that your y vote means that others can vote overwhelmingly for bears.

 

or you do not understand one or more of the types of pr.

Edited by Victoria Watcher, 20 December 2018 - 02:12 PM.

[Mike K.]

The livestream of the announcement can be viewed here.

[vortoozo]

42.6% returned

FPTP received 61.3%

Pro-rep received 38.7% 

[Victoria Watcher]

not as close as polls suggested.  kids these days* too lazy to return a postage-paid envelope.

 

*the most likely segment to support pr.

Edited by Victoria Watcher, 20 December 2018 - 02:35 PM.

[Bernard]

I am glad it failed given MMP was the system that came first in the alternatives and I REALLY dislike that one

[rjag]

Will be interesting to hear the excuses from the PR side

[Victoria Watcher]

Will be interesting to hear the excuses from the PR side

 

• too complicated
• too many questions
• old-fashioned mail vs. online
• time of year
• mail strike
• trump

Edited by Victoria Watcher, 20 December 2018 - 02:42 PM.

[RFS]

Will be interesting to hear the excuses from the PR side

 

 

• too complicated
• too many questions
• old-fashioned mail vs. online
• time of year
• mail strike
• trump

 

 

Russian bots

[Bernard]

 

• too complicated
• too many questions
• old-fashioned mail vs. online
• time of year
• mail strike
• trump

 

The real issue with the referendum - it was very badly set up and highly partisan in nature

[Mike K.]

I was going to say Trump, but yeah, Russian bots.

[Bernard]

This referendum did do as well as the PR referendum in 2009, let alone 2005.  

 

 

Also, of the seven Victoria ridings, only Lana Popham's, Saanich South, voted No

 

Green Sonia Fursteneau's riding voted against change

Edited by Bernard, 20 December 2018 - 02:49 PM.

[vortoozo]

Riding-by-riding results available here: https://electionsbcc...um/results.html

 

On the Island, PR won in Esquimalt-Metchosin, Langford-Juan de Fuca, Oak Bay-Gordon Head, Saanich North & The Islands, Victoria-Beacon Hill, Victoria-Swan Lake.

[sebberry]

So, ~366,470 people selected our electoral system?

 

 

EDIT:  Botched the math, clearly.

 

845,235 selected it.