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#41 sebberry

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Posted 16 February 2018 - 11:57 AM

If you don't want a ticket, it's pretty simple (NSFW language):

 

https://www.youtube....h?v=BJF-wVW1F2o

 

Then the law should be reasonable so that the marjority of drivers aren't "lawbreakers" for travelling at safe speeds.

 

Chris Foord was on CFAX one day promoting his cameras.  He said that they would be only used to go after the "worst of the worst" and implied that was 20+ over the limit. 

 

So if it's OK that everyone is going 1-19kph over the limit, raise it by 20k!


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Posted 16 February 2018 - 01:51 PM

If you don't want a ticket, it's pretty simple (NSFW language):

 

https://www.youtube....h?v=BJF-wVW1F2o

 

Right now I would hazzard a guess that 90% of vehicles travelling on Shelbourne or Gorge or Burnside or Blanshard etc are 'breaking the law'.

 

The speed limits on the Malahat need to be reviewed, I get the 60-70 going through the Park or Mill Bay etc, but there are plenty of 90 zones that should be initiated, even a 100 at Bamberton.

 

If you have speed limits reflecting what the bulk of the travelling public are actually doing then you can focus your resources on the outliers, the 5-10% of folks that exceed these limits or the 5-10% of drivers that impede traffic by going too slow, then you may get compliance as its the outliers where the high risk is associated. 


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Posted 16 February 2018 - 02:10 PM

The use of video cameras, computers, and mathematical algorithms to penalize citizens may be one step too close to Big Brother.

 

Point to point cameras only tell the math algorithm that issues you a ticket one thing, inanimate objects can't ever understand the physical world in which the presumed infraction occurred. Things like being sandwiched between two cars, one in front and the other in the rear, with two or three cars in the lane beside you ... all of which are travelling 20-30kph over the speed limit.

 

The above scenario is observed, and subsequently ignored by live traffic enforcement officers all the time.


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Posted 16 February 2018 - 02:28 PM

Do cameras mean there would be less speed traps? Drive 200km/h and take a 5-minute break to pull down the average.


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#45 VicHockeyFan

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Posted 16 February 2018 - 02:35 PM

The use of video cameras, computers, and mathematical algorithms to penalize citizens may be one step too close to Big Brother.

Point to point cameras only tell the math algorithm that issues you a ticket one thing, inanimate objects can't ever understand the physical world in which the presumed infraction occurred. Things like being sandwiched between two cars, one in front and the other in the rear, with two or three cars in the lane beside you ... all of which are travelling 20-30kph over the speed limit.

The above scenario is observed, and subsequently ignored by live traffic enforcement officers all the time.

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Perhaps you could plead that case to the judge? You can still appeal the ticket. It’s hard to see how you could be trapped like you say for the duration of an over Malahat trip.

I also can’t see why you have to keep up with the car ahead of you, ease back.

Edited by VicHockeyFan, 16 February 2018 - 02:36 PM.

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#46 Cassidy

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Posted 16 February 2018 - 03:51 PM

There reaches a point where (IMO), if you're the only car out of 50 cars that's doing the speed limit, with everybody else doing 20K over the speed limit ... you're not only putting yourself and whoever is in the car with you in a modicum of danger, but you're also creating a situation where a non-stop stream of traffic is pulling out to the left behind you in order to pass.

 

Simply "going with the flow" can more often than not be the safest speed to travel, rather than trying to single handedly dictate the overall traffic speed of any given group of cars on the Malahat.

 

Just because somebody painted up a sign 5 years ago that says the speed limit is 80K doesn't mean that will be true for you 5 years later, and in a situation the sign painter and legislator couldn't ever have imagined.

 

Thus the need for live, sworn officers who have a visual confirmation of your infraction taking into account the physical reality observed at the time ... this as opposed to a computer coming up with a solution to a simple math equation ... and issuing you a traffic ticket as a result of that calculation.


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#47 VicHockeyFan

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Posted 16 February 2018 - 04:44 PM

It still sounds like a series of cameras with officers watching them and flagging. Baddies would be way more efficient that cops in cars.

Edited by VicHockeyFan, 16 February 2018 - 04:45 PM.

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Posted 16 February 2018 - 07:30 PM

Nope.

 

Q:  What happened with out-of-country or out-of-province plates caught on photo-radar?  Or red-light cameras?

 

Has anyone ever seen a Mexican or South American plate up here?  Europe, Asia?  Are they legal on our streets?

They don't get tickets if the machines can't access the database. US plated vehicles will not get tickets.


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Posted 16 February 2018 - 09:53 PM

Yes, and i have seen European plates in Victoria (a German RV).

 

Ja, but ze chermans are very in ordnung, and vould not speed unless ordered to do so!


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Posted 17 February 2018 - 07:58 AM

Ja, but ze chermans are very in ordnung, and vould not speed unless ordered to do so!

Not sure, but I think this might be racist stereotyping and quite politically incorrect in 2018?



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Posted 17 February 2018 - 08:01 AM

White Christians, although a minority on the planet, can still be mocked in 2018.

Edited by VicHockeyFan, 17 February 2018 - 08:02 AM.

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#52 Jason-L

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Posted 19 February 2018 - 09:19 AM

I'd be hoping they'd allow some slack - I'd hate to get a ticket because I had to briefly speed up to pass the one guy who always seems to choose to go 20kph under the posted limit.



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Posted 19 February 2018 - 09:20 AM

I'd be hoping they'd allow some slack - I'd hate to get a ticket because I had to briefly speed up to pass the one guy who always seems to choose to go 20kph under the posted limit.

 

???  That would normally keep you away from the possibility of a ticket.

 

If he is going 20kmh under the limit and you have to pass him, do you have to make that pass at 40kmh faster than he's going?


Edited by VicHockeyFan, 19 February 2018 - 09:21 AM.

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#54 tjv

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Posted 19 February 2018 - 10:01 AM

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Perhaps you could plead that case to the judge? You can still appeal the ticket. It’s hard to see how you could be trapped like you say for the duration of an over Malahat trip.

I also can’t see why you have to keep up with the car ahead of you, ease back.

The problem is any ticket issued on the Malahat must be heard before the Duncan court so its one hour there, one hour back, wait around and you basically have to take a day off work.  

 

To me, the Langford Provincial courthouse is the the closest provincial courthouse to the Malahat, not Duncan, and all infraction tickets should be presided at the closest courthouse



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Posted 19 February 2018 - 10:43 AM

well thats not true. if you get a ticket in the CRD portion of the Malahat you go to court in Victoria...if you get a ticket in the CVRD portion of the Malahat you go to court in Duncan

 

Langford doesnt have a court house.

 

So all infractions are to be held in the closest court house? Closets to what?



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Posted 19 February 2018 - 12:04 PM

 

Langford doesnt have a court house.

 

 

 

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Posted 19 February 2018 - 12:29 PM

^^sorry its in Colwood

 

Regardless the COLWOOD court house is the closer court house for ~90% of the Malahat.  Without going to find the section of an act, you will be tried at the closest court house to the incident.  that is the law, I don't care if its an inconvenience to the cop who has to come from Duncan

 

I fight every ticket I get



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Posted 19 February 2018 - 12:36 PM

I think that darned Colwood court is only open a few days per month, or maybe once a week?


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Posted 19 February 2018 - 12:42 PM

Edit:  the opening hour table isn't showing up properly, see the link at the bottom

 

Looks like 5 days a week.  I had to go there 5 years ago to fight a traffic ticket, easy win because the cop didn't show and I was back in my car within 30 minutes

 

http://www.provincia...ern-communities


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Posted 19 February 2018 - 01:34 PM

Not sure, but I think this might be racist stereotyping and quite politically incorrect in 2018?

Ohh, noes! Politically incorrect.  Next you'll be telling me that Canadians don't say 'eh' a lot, and actually have a sense of humour!

Lighten up a little..


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