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#121 Mystic-Pizza

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Posted 10 November 2018 - 10:56 PM

Point to point cameras do factually determine an average (and also a minimum, the same number) speed that a vehicle travelled from point A to point B. If current motor act/relevant laws don't allow for ticketing based on that, the government can change it. 

 

It's also true that some idiots can 'play the system' with a coffee/view point break. Idiots doing that are likely assholes everywhere, so hopefully karma helps nab them by normal road enforcement elsewherI What 

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#122 sebberry

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Posted 10 November 2018 - 11:57 PM

Where is the refrigeration tech? It's getting too hot in here, and the temperature needs to be turned down LOL.

 

 

In the spirit of doctors playing engineer, perhaps a naturopath can help you with the heat issue?


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#123 Victoria Watcher

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Posted 11 November 2018 - 02:36 AM

You need to think it through again.

The car in your example above didn't hit a minimum of 180kmh at some point, it did the whole trip at that speed.

 

that's not correct.  it did the whole trip at that **average speed.  the car might have gone at 190 km/h for 5 minutes and 170 km/h for a different 5 minutes.



#124 On the Level

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Posted 11 November 2018 - 08:01 AM

You need to think it through again.

The car in your example above didn't hit a minimum of 180kmh at some point, it did the whole trip at that speed.

 

 

that's not correct.  it did the whole trip at that **average speed.  the car might have gone at 190 km/h for 5 minutes and 170 km/h for a different 5 minutes.

 

Ironically, you are both in violent agreement.

 

The issue is speed....I haven't been able to find one study that suggests that a small increase in speed doesn't increase traffic deaths.  One of the reason is stopping distance.  A measly extra 10mph requires a 40% increase in stopping distance.

 

I don't see how slowing down traffic on the Malihat is a bad thing and it seems to me that these cameras would be a good way of doing it.

 

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There are lots of examples online, but the one that showed both cars and trucks was pulled from this site

 

http://virginiatruck...pping-distance/


Edited by On the Level, 11 November 2018 - 08:06 AM.

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#125 sebberry

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Posted 11 November 2018 - 08:31 AM

If it weren't for all those pesky intersections that just appear out of nowehere, without warning...

 

Stopping distance is only one of many factors that should be considered when setting speed limits.  

 

If it weren't for all those pesky intersections that just appear out of nowehere...


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#126 rjag

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Posted 11 November 2018 - 08:41 AM

Ironically, you are both in violent agreement.

 

The issue is speed....I haven't been able to find one study that suggests that a small increase in speed doesn't increase traffic deaths.  One of the reason is stopping distance.  A measly extra 10mph requires a 40% increase in stopping distance.

 

I don't see how slowing down traffic on the Malihat is a bad thing and it seems to me that these cameras would be a good way of doing it.

 

 

 

Stopping distances are always a major factor when engineers look at speed limits etc. Thats why there are places where large trucks are restricted to certain speeds or certain travel lanes etc.

 

Heres a very good article that talks about how speed limits are calculated

 

http://www.sehinc.co...lained-engineer

 

 

 

Dispelling speed limit myths

Before explaining why interstate speeds are trending upward, let’s first expunge some misconceptions. Here are four commonly held, but inaccurate statements about speed limits:

  • Lowering a posted speed limit will slow down traffic.
  • Lowering a posted speed limit will increase safety and decrease the number of crashes.
  • Raising the posted speed limit increases traffic speed.
  • Drivers will always travel at 5 mph over the posted speed limit.

There is no guarantee that a speed limit will have any effect on driving behaviors. The fact is, when driving, most motorists choose a speed in which they personally feel both comfortable and safe.

As cars have evolved to go faster and be safer, so too has the inclination for drivers to increase speeds on open roads and rural interstates.

Simply, a speed limit sign should not dictate speed. It should reflect how drivers are actually behaving on the road. When you want drivers to slow down, you change the road through traffic calming measures like speed bumps or even design narrower roads, both of which make speedy drivers less comfortable.


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#127 sebberry

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Posted 11 November 2018 - 08:47 AM

And anyone with half a brain knows that when they're on a highway approaching an intersection (green light or not), they should ease up on the gas pedal a little bit.  Yes, intersections are dangerous, and yes, you should approach them a little more slowly.  


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#128 LJ

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Posted 11 November 2018 - 07:36 PM

that's not correct.  it did the whole trip at that **average speed.  the car might have gone at 190 km/h for 5 minutes and 170 km/h for a different 5 minutes.

That's a true statement, but that's not what your initial statement implied, but at least you get it now.


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