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The Dalmatian
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Address: 1025 Johnson Street
Municipality: Victoria
Region: Downtown Victoria
Storeys: 11
The Dalmatian is an 11-storey mixed-use affordable rental tower in the 1000-block of Johnson Street in downtow... (view full profile)
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[Harris Green] The Dalmatian | Victoria No. 1 Firehall | Rentals, office space | Completed - Built in 2023


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#761 Mike K.

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Posted 31 March 2023 - 01:20 PM

What would Victorians do if a building took up an entire Victoria-sized mini block?


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#762 Nparker

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Posted 31 March 2023 - 01:24 PM

I guess we'll find out when the Cook Street widescraper portion of this development gets built.

#763 aastra

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Posted 31 March 2023 - 02:24 PM

Wide buildings can block views side-to-side and cast broad (rather than long/narrow) swaths of unbroken shade. If you like that kind of thing then it's no problem. However, Victorians have been complaining about that kind of thing for decades. This is why that new breed of small-footprint buildings in the 2000s was such a relief for many people. Corazon, Juliet, 834 Johnson, Legato, etc. showed Victorians a more pleasant format for dense midrise/highrise living.

Suffice it to say, a telephone pole can be tall, but because a telephone pole is narrow it has limited potential to block side-to-side views and cast a wide shadow. A brick wall might be shorter than the telephone pole, but because the brick wall is continuous & without interruption it would fully block the view of anyone who can't see over it, and it would also cast a broad/unbroken shadow. A telephone pole would be one of many elements within the view. A brick wall would BE the view for anyone who can't see over it.

 

We've talked about these fundamental issues so many times before.

 

Just consider how many large buildings occupy the following scene, and yet you can still see a long way between the buildings. In some spots you can see for blocks. In other spots you can see for miles. But insert two or three 15-story widescrapers into this same view and the entire scene would be much less pleasant.
 

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#764 aastra

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Posted 31 March 2023 - 02:28 PM

In the following pic just consider how much depth you used to be able to see looking north/northeast toward the Cook/Pandora intersection and beyond. From that balcony you used to be able to see many things, and you used to be able to see between things, and you used to be able to see a mix of foreground things and background things. Lots of depth, many layers. But now you can only see one wide thing.

 

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#765 Mike K.

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Posted 31 March 2023 - 02:33 PM

Bayview One
Shoal Point
Parc Residences
Jukebox
Shutters
Wave
Yello, etc.

Variety is the spice of life.

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#766 aastra

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Posted 31 March 2023 - 02:58 PM

Shoal Point raises the issue re: the esthetics of the buildings themselves. Yes, wide buildings can be very impactful re: diminishing the depth of a view, and when they're clustered together they can throw wide swaths of shade and make a district seem much more confining than it needed to be. But what about the architectural design aspect?

If a wide building is detailed & ornate or otherwise architecturally interesting one way or another -- something like the Empress Hotel, or the broad side of Christ Church Cathedral, or Shoal Point -- then the wide building itself can be making a contribution to the view. So even though elements behind the wide building have been obstructed, the wide building is nevertheless adding some value and visual interest of itself.

 

In other words, excessive width and an overdose of plain cladding panels are like a one-two punch re: screwing things up.



#767 Mike K.

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Posted 31 March 2023 - 03:21 PM

All great points, aastra.

 

I agree, that it's not necessarily so much the width, as it is the quality of materials.


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#768 lanforod

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Posted 01 April 2023 - 07:17 AM

You’d get bored if all the buildings were wide and all those wide buildings were high quality interesting materials too though. Like you said, variety. Nothing beats nature at beauty. Stop blocking those views unnecessarily.

#769 Mike K.

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Posted 01 April 2023 - 07:29 AM

Luckily, not all buildings are wide.

As Watcher says, it will all work out.
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#770 Nparker

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Posted 01 April 2023 - 07:38 AM

The problem here is that one wide and one extra wide building are much too close together. This is not good design.



#771 baconnbits

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Posted 01 April 2023 - 01:07 PM

Really don’t mind it here
Other design was way too busy for me. The whole block I guess so anything that creates a bit more space from original plan

#772 Mike K.

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Posted 02 May 2023 - 10:20 AM

The building is officially complete.

Details: https://victoria.cit...n-harris-green/

$375-$2,900/month for studio through three-bedroom units. Parking is either $350 or $360/month, not mentioned in the release, but stated in the comments.

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#773 Victoria Watcher

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Posted 02 May 2023 - 02:50 PM

Those parking rates. I’d be willing to bet that’s the highest residential parking fees in this city.

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#774 Mike K.

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Posted 02 May 2023 - 04:54 PM

It’s the highest I’ve ever seen, yes.
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#775 Victoria Watcher

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Posted 02 May 2023 - 06:09 PM

It’s the highest I’ve ever seen, yes.

 

If only we had a parking expert on this board.   :teacher:


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Posted 09 May 2023 - 05:24 PM

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Posted 04 August 2023 - 04:19 PM

‘Outrageous’: Victoria low-income rental tenant stunned by $378 parking fee

Downtown resident raising awareness of how much is being charged


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Lima supplied copies of emails she received from Robbins Parking Service to rent a space in The Dalmation, a mixed-use development that consists of 130 units of “affordable housing” that is owned and operated by Pacifica Housing. The building includes purpose-built subsidized, low-end market and market units. (Pacifica Housing didn’t respond to an email request by Black Press Media for comment at its tenant services address.)

#778 Victoria Watcher

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Posted 04 August 2023 - 04:21 PM

What’s missing from the article?

Of course, her rent amount. Reporter never asked, or she refused to say?

#779 aastra

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Posted 27 August 2023 - 08:10 PM

So is that a medical facility on the second level above the firehall? From the street it looks like a very large dental clinic.



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Posted 27 August 2023 - 08:17 PM

I believe that it is the offices for the Fire Department + City Emergency Services. Not sure what else might be with them. 


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