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#21 VicHockeyFan

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Posted 08 April 2018 - 06:45 AM

$3.2M raised online.  That's over $200,000 per survivor.  It might not be an enviable task to divide up this money.


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#22 Rob Randall

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Posted 08 April 2018 - 07:03 AM

^Some of those kids may need a lifetime of care.

 

I didn't even recognize the remains of the bus in that photo. Media reports claim the roof was sheared off but I wonder if it was cut off by the fire department in order to access the victims. Or was the roof sliced off when the bus broadsided the tractor-trailer?

 

Apparently it's what's called a Super-B. Two linked trailers.


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#23 VicHockeyFan

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Posted 08 April 2018 - 07:14 AM

^ I bet it might be a bit of both.   But they likely did not have to do much of the work to get that roof off.


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#24 VicHockeyFan

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Posted 08 April 2018 - 07:16 AM

^Some of those kids may need a lifetime of care.

 

Oh, no doubt.  But who makes the decision on how it gets divided up?

 

I guess here is the good news, they can right now - this week - give $50,000 to every family, alive and dead, that's only $1.5M.  Then work out further details.

 

I suspect that also becomes complex, you can bet not every single one of the players has exactly two parents that live together.


Edited by VicHockeyFan, 08 April 2018 - 07:18 AM.

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#25 Rob Randall

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Posted 08 April 2018 - 07:34 AM

Oh, no doubt.  But who makes the decision on how it gets divided up?

 

I imagine the families will group together and form some sort of board or committee, along with lawyers and other administrators. Like the 9/11 families, at first they will have to figure out how to divide the money. As you say there are complications, like divorced couples with joint custody. The hockey league and trucking company has insurance but this will take a long time to sort out even though there are immediate costs, funerals to arrange, time off work.

 

After immediate needs are met the families will have to consider any potential lawsuits as well as creating memorials, trust funds and scholarships as a legacy.


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#26 VicHockeyFan

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Posted 08 April 2018 - 07:53 AM

I predict some bitterness and lasting bad feelings.  What about the billet families, do they get any money?  But that's what always happens when money is involved I guess.  Hopefully the benefit of having $4M in cash this week outweighs the future hard feelings.

 

$3.38M as of 8:54am today.


Edited by VicHockeyFan, 08 April 2018 - 07:55 AM.

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#27 jonny

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Posted 08 April 2018 - 08:00 AM

The roof was mostly torn off in the crash, according to eye witness accounts.

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#28 VicHockeyFan

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Posted 08 April 2018 - 08:22 AM

Oh, this dad arrived before the fire department.  He only  lived 1/4 mile away from the crash.

 

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“As soon as I came,” he said, “I knew that it was a disaster.

 

“It was a pretty devastating sight.”

 

Nick came running over to him. He was one of only two kids who seemed able to walk. Some were stuck under debris, Myles said. Most couldn’t move. Everyone was in a state of shock.

 


Edited by VicHockeyFan, 08 April 2018 - 08:23 AM.

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#29 Rob Randall

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Posted 08 April 2018 - 08:26 AM

^Thanks to both of you for posting that, it was an eye-opener; only two "walking wounded" out of 29 and still he needed to be airlifted. A punishingly violent collision.

 

I'm still confused as to what sheared off the top of the bus as I thought the roof of a tractor trailer was a pretty flimsy affair.


Edited by Rob Randall, 08 April 2018 - 08:27 AM.

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#30 VicHockeyFan

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Posted 08 April 2018 - 08:29 AM

I'm still confused as to what sheared off the top of the bus as I thought the roof of a tractor trailer was a pretty flimsy affair.

 

It was a flatbed truck trailer.   That part is definitely not flimsy.

 

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#31 VicHockeyFan

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Posted 08 April 2018 - 08:30 AM

Or more specifically:

 

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Posted 08 April 2018 - 08:30 AM

^But how did that slice the roof, unless one or both of the vehicles flipped or jack-knifed before colliding.


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#33 VicHockeyFan

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Posted 08 April 2018 - 08:32 AM

I think we can assume both vehicles were doing some considerable speed.  I think there are lots of ways that deck could slice through the bus.


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Posted 08 April 2018 - 08:35 AM

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And the debris is in the rounded (tear-drop) section of grass there.

 

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Edited by VicHockeyFan, 08 April 2018 - 08:39 AM.

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#35 Mike K.

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Posted 08 April 2018 - 08:36 AM

Wouldn’t the roof have been removed by first responders? It’s too close to the bus to have been sheared off.

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#36 VicHockeyFan

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Posted 08 April 2018 - 08:41 AM

Look at how far some of the bales have gone.  There are lots of forces at work here.


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#37 VicHockeyFan

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Posted 08 April 2018 - 08:42 AM

Wouldn’t the roof have been removed by first responders? It’s too close to the bus to have been sheared off.

 

Eye witness says it was mostly off.  Maybe the bus rolled a few times.  That can shear the roof off.  


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#38 jonny

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Posted 08 April 2018 - 08:58 AM

If you look closely at the overhead photo, you can see the bottom half of the front end of the bus stuck under the front of the tractor trailer. On my phone, so I can't highlight for you, but check out the photo I posted yesterday. You can see the front end of the bus stuck under the semi.

I doubt fist responders took the roof off. That would have been quite heavy for a bunch of guys to do without a crane.

Sorry not the photo I posted. If you zoom the one vhf posted you can make it out.

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#39 jonny

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Posted 08 April 2018 - 09:01 AM

Front end of the bus.

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#40 VicHockeyFan

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Posted 08 April 2018 - 09:03 AM

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There is also something over by the stop sign that's not covered in snow.


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