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Parkway
Uses: rental, commercial
Address: 1518 Cook Street
Municipality: Victoria
Region: Downtown Victoria
Storeys: 6
Parkway is a proposal to restore the two-storey Wellburn's Market building at the intersection of Cook Street ... (view full profile)
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[North Park] Wellburn's Market redevelopment | 6-storeys | Proposed


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#81 Kapten Kapsell

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Posted 06 February 2019 - 08:41 PM

This project is now called Parkway.

Developer’s information page:

https://districtgrou...o-item/parkway/

#82 Nparker

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Posted 06 February 2019 - 08:50 PM

This project is now called Parkway...

The main rendering looks better than before.

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Still, I think this is going to be a hard sell with the anti-gentrification crowd in North Park.


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#83 Brantastic

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Posted 06 February 2019 - 08:57 PM

Huh, at least the 6 storey component appears to have been set back more from Cook Street. Hopefully that will bring less of an overbearing presence over the current structure. Still seems a bit... off. I'm curious about the colouring. The blackened wood really was not a good fit for this project, though I'd be interested to see more of it in developments around Victoria. Definitely an improvement though. 



#84 G-Man

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Posted 07 February 2019 - 01:29 PM

Looks way better. 


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It has a whole new look!

 


#85 aastra

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Posted 07 February 2019 - 02:28 PM

The massing & relationship to the old building both seem to be good. I like the vertical orientation of the windows on the little part.

 

But come on. Unflavoured is not a flavour. The architecture is very bland, and repetitively so. I don't know what the cladding would be but methinks they're making an all-or-nothing bet on the success of it.

 

I get that they'd be going for a more neutral presence behind the old building. I'd say that's the right approach. But to my eye this seems way beyond neutral. This is almost stripped bare.

 

For your consideration, the following pic:
https://districtgrou...y5-1600x890.jpg

 

...try removing the green grass in your mind and what do you have left? We've talked about it before on this board, how trees and greenery and imaginary forests & mountains etc. can look nice in renderings but they don't really have much relevance when we're trying to assess the architecture itself and whether it can stand alone on its own merits.

 

Even if you keep everything exactly as is, how about changing the cladding on the little section? Why should the little section have some obligation to be neutral? It's a building fronting onto the streetscape. It has a right to exist. It's not competing with anything or overshadowing anything.



#86 aastra

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Posted 07 February 2019 - 02:30 PM

Crikey, and now I look back in this thread and realize the little section was better before!

 

edit: Nah, I'm losing it. It's better now.


Edited by aastra, 07 February 2019 - 04:41 PM.


#87 aastra

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Posted 07 February 2019 - 02:37 PM

I don't know. Maybe I'm just not getting this one.



#88 Nparker

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Posted 07 February 2019 - 02:39 PM

Ideally, I'd like to see the new construction make some sort of reference to the heritage building. I don't exactly know what that would be. Perhaps there might be a way to pay homage to those semi-circular "eyebrow" details on the second level of the Wellburn's building or some other detail that could be reinterpreted in the addition.



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Posted 07 February 2019 - 03:29 PM

The massing & relationship to the old building both seem to be good. I like the vertical orientation of the windows on the little part.

 

But come on. Unflavoured is not a flavour. The architecture is very bland, and repetitively so. I don't know what the cladding would be but methinks they're making an all-or-nothing bet on the success of it.

 

I get that they'd be going for a more neutral presence behind the old building. I'd say that's the right approach. But to my eye this seems way beyond neutral. This is almost stripped bare.

 

For your consideration, the following pic:
https://districtgrou...y5-1600x890.jpg

 

...try removing the green grass in your mind and what do you have left? We've talked about it before on this board, how trees and greenery and imaginary forests & mountains etc. can look nice in renderings but they don't really have much relevance when we're trying to assess the architecture itself and whether it can stand alone on its own merits.

 

Even if you keep everything exactly as is, how about changing the cladding on the little section? Why should the little section have some obligation to be neutral? It's a building fronting onto the streetscape. It has a right to exist. It's not competing with anything or overshadowing anything.

 

Agreed, the smaller building doesn't have to look like an addition to Wellburns, and having it so matchy-matchy makes for a boring and forgettable streetscape. I would also refrain from painting all the trim and architectural details black. Too much is lost, visually, and the building doesn't have the same appeal. Update the red and black details, or choose new colours to really highlight what makes this building worthy of being preserved. As it is in the rendering, it looks no different than the faux-Parisian townhouses going up in Vancouver (which don't look awful, it's just very clear that they're new build and not a restored building with local history).

 

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#90 Victoria Watcher

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Posted 07 February 2019 - 04:01 PM

^ all of those would be better with a widow's walk at the top.



#91 Nparker

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Posted 07 February 2019 - 04:20 PM

...the smaller building doesn't have to look like an addition to Wellburn's, and having it so matchy-matchy makes for a boring and forgettable streetscape...

I guess one person's matchy-matchy is another person's complimentary. From what little detail I can see of the shorter new building (especially in the nearly colourless rendering above), I mostly like the way it looks. As aastra mentioned earlier, the vertical windows are a particularly nice touch. I think I will wait to see further detailed renderings before I pass judgement on this proposal.
 



#92 Kapten Kapsell

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Posted 15 February 2019 - 04:44 PM

NPNA is hoping for another CALUC meeting (following the redesign) in March...

#93 Nparker

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Posted 16 February 2019 - 08:58 AM

NPNA is hoping for another CALUC meeting (following the redesign) in March...

I guess that gives them time to sharpen their pitchforks and refuel their torches.



#94 Kapten Kapsell

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Posted 01 April 2019 - 08:20 AM

If anyone is interested, the meeting minutes/notes from the CALCUC meeting on March 20 are available here:  http://npna.ca/wp-co...-20Mar-2019.pdf



#95 Kapten Kapsell

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Posted 15 May 2019 - 12:05 PM

District Properties has formally applied for rezoning and heritage alteration as of today (per Dev Tracker).


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#96 Kapten Kapsell

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Posted 17 May 2019 - 08:09 AM

A slightly updated rendering (from the submission):

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Edited by Kapten Kapsell, 17 May 2019 - 08:11 AM.


#97 Nparker

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Posted 17 May 2019 - 08:13 AM

It seems odd that the rendering isn't in full colour, just the trees.



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Posted 17 May 2019 - 08:20 AM

^I'm struggling to figure out if this is a partially black and white image or if this is actually how colourless the final product will be.


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Posted 17 May 2019 - 08:26 AM

^ The second option. It's a black white and grey colour scheme, with a trendy Instagram filter applied to the renderings  ;)

 

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Posted 17 May 2019 - 08:28 AM

Careful examination of certain elements suggests this is not a partial monochromatic render - see the figures posed inside the building: they are rendered in colour, albeit as muted as all other colours.

 

Nice touch that the cyclist is wearing a helmet.  Too bad they are about to mow down the lady crossing the street.  At least the fellow on the sidewalk is shielding the child from the demon.


Edited by DustMagnet, 17 May 2019 - 08:28 AM.


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