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#21 Rob Randall

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Posted 26 August 2018 - 10:19 PM

^Get out of here with your well-researched facts.


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#22 AllseeingEye

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Posted 26 August 2018 - 10:32 PM

/\........ https://www.dailymot...om/video/x403sf


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#23 Rob Randall

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Posted 26 August 2018 - 10:56 PM

Even for John McCain. As a former POW and bona fide hero, McCain is generally inoculated against the journalistic heel-snapping that bedevils other presidential candidates. But two weekends ago, as he was campaigning across New Hampshire, a team of comics with a camera crew from the cable network Comedy Central clambered aboard his campaign bus to enlist him in their own little game of gotcha.

 

Who's your favorite poet? they asked McCain.

 

According to the cosmology of the sophisticates at Comedy Central, politicians are not supposed to have favorite poets.

 

McCain hesitated, and then said, "Robert Service, I guess."

 

Okay, the comedians pressed as the cameras rolled, then recite some of his poetry.

 

Gotcha? Here again, the Comedy Central team revealed their own provincialism. They were apparently ignorant of one of the ironclad rules of modern poetry: Anyone who likes Robert Service can recite Robert Service. By the yard.

 

And that's what McCain did. After a bumpy push-off, by one witness's account, he ran through all 14 stanzas of "The Cremation of Sam McGee," Service's great ballad that deathlessly begins 
  
There are strange things done in the 
midnight sun 
By the men who moil for gold; 
The Arctic trails have their secret tales 
That would make your blood run 
cold . . .

 

[...]

On the bus in New Hampshire, the wise-asses from Comedy Central were apparently impressed with McCain's performance. As they were breaking down their camera equipment, McCain mentioned offhandedly how he had come to memorize "Sam McGee."

 

"The guy in the cell next to me," he said, "it was his favorite poem. He used to tap it to me on the wall, in Morse Code. That's how I memorized it."

 

 

https://www.weeklyst...n-and-sam-mcgee

 

 


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#24 Rob Randall

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Posted 27 August 2018 - 08:10 AM

Turns out in 1996 Trump was looking to the government for a $450 million loan guarantee and Senator McCain was against it saying, “The Donald Trumps of the world can more than afford to bear the risk of their endeavors”. So that's likely the source of their long-running feud. It was three years later, on a 1999 episode of 60 Minutes where Trump first mocked McCain not being a hero because he was captured, a statement he repeated years later during the campaign.

 

 


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#25 SimonH

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Posted 27 August 2018 - 08:12 AM

A complete and total traitor. Sang like a songbird to the NK, dropped a bomb on an aircraft carrier, ran on repealing Obamacare and then voted against repealing it. 

Oh dear..........



#26 RFS

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Posted 27 August 2018 - 08:19 AM

He was the definition of a neocon.  Loved war, loved police state, loved surveillance, loved mass immigration, was probably the strongest and most vocal supporter of every stupid, idiotic US entanglement of the last 20 years, Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria, you name it.  Not a good guy.  Watching the leftwing media fawn over him simply because he was pissy about Trump is freaking nauseating.  



#27 Bingo

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Posted 27 August 2018 - 09:28 AM

  Watching the leftwing media fawn over him simply because he was pissy about Trump is freaking nauseating.  

Much like your comments. He was on the scene long before the President and respected by many...the key word being "respected".


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#28 Mike K.

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Posted 27 August 2018 - 11:35 AM

Now I understand why the left-wing media is going bananas over a man they despised right up until the Trump era:

 

Russia has labelled McCain a warmonger.


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#29 Greg

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Posted 27 August 2018 - 12:09 PM

McCain co-sponsored the Magnitsky Act, so it really isn't any wonder why Russia (and Trump) don't like him.



#30 Bingo

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Posted 27 August 2018 - 12:17 PM

A complete and total traitor. Sang like a songbird to the NK, dropped a bomb on an aircraft carrier, ran on repealing Obamacare and then voted against repealing it. 

 

He didn't drop the outdated ordnance. There was an electrical malfunction that set off a rocket and causing a fire.

 

On 29 July 1967, a fire broke out on board the aircraft carrier USS Forrestal. An electrical anomaly caused a Zuni rocket on a McDonnell Douglas F-4B Phantom to fire, striking an external fuel tank of a A-4 Skyhawk. The flammable jet fuel spilled across the flight deck, ignited, and triggered a chain-reaction of explosions that killed 134 sailors and injured 161. At the time, Forrestal was engaged in combat operations in the Gulf of Tonkin, during the Vietnam War.

 

The official inquiry found that the ordnance crew acted immediately on the Weapons Coordination Board's decision. The found that the pigtail was connected early, that the TER pin on the faulty Zuni missile was likely blown free, and that the missile fired when a power surge occurred as the pilot transferred his systems from external to internal power.[10][6]:57 Their report concluded that a ZUNI rocket on the portside TER-7 on external stores station 2 of F-4B #100 of VF-11, spotted on the extreme starboard quarter of the flight deck, struck A-4 #405, piloted by Lt. Cmdr. Fred D. White, on the port side of the aft deck. The accidental firing was due to the simultaneous malfunction of three components: CA42282 pylon electrical disconnect, TER-7 safety switch, and LAU-10/A shorting device. They concluded that the CA42282 pylon electrical disconnect had a design defect, and found that the TER-7 safety pin was poorly designed, making it easy to confuse with ordnance pins used in the AERO-7 Sparrow Launcher, which if used by mistake would not operate effectively.[6]

 

https://en.wikipedia..._Forrestal_fire



#31 Jason-L

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Posted 27 August 2018 - 12:18 PM

Now I understand why the left-wing media is going bananas over a man they despised right up until the Trump era:

 

Russia has labelled McCain a warmonger.

I think McCain had a lot of respect from moderates before his run for President because he tended to take principled stands that were understandable, and while not always centerist, were often in opposition to the general direction of the Republican party.

However, his shift to try and appeal to the Republic base during his election run, and his selection of Sarah Palin, and what generally appeared to be his move away from principled stands undermined that respect a lot.

What we do know, though, is that the death of any political statesman generally leads to hagiography in the immediacy of the moment.  What's weird is how, in this usual period of recognition and respect, this hagiography is not being extended by the Right wing.  Which, in a compare and contrast, makes the media's normal reporting on the death seem to be "bananas".


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#32 Mike K.

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Posted 27 August 2018 - 01:01 PM

And they’re doing it in the worst way by focusing on an instance when he stood up for Obama. It’s rudimentary and empty. So what, Obama couldn’t defend himself from an idiot’s words? He had to rely on “Obama is siding with the terrorists” McCain?

McCain represented the Bush empire in 2008. He was a supporter of the war in Iraq and stood behind the president during the infamous weapons of mass destruction era. He was, by and large, everything the Democrats despised (at least on the surface) and everything America was tired of after eight years of Bush (left and right alike).

The disdain McCain felt for Trump likely had more to do with Trump’s appearance from nowhere and massive disruption to the GOP’s status quo. Trump was Uber, McCain owned a fleet of taxis.

Everything he stood for, every echelon of power that he respected was disrespected in the 2016 election. It’s hard to come to terms with that, especially when you’re old enough to be well aware of your own mortality.

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#33 nerka

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Posted 27 August 2018 - 01:49 PM

The disdain McCain felt for Trump likely

.. is widely shared among elected Republicans, but for now Republicans that want to get elected have to keep their heads down and make nice with Trump.  That could change when the base tires of Trump's antics.

 

McCain likely knew he was done with elections, ergo no need to suck up to Trump.



#34 LeoVictoria

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Posted 27 August 2018 - 02:31 PM

It’s not rocket science. McCain had integrity. Of course democrats were against him, his policies were not what they supported but at least the guy was principled and not a criminal.
Big difference between someone that you disagree with but respect, and someone that you disagree with and don’t.
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#35 nerka

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Posted 27 August 2018 - 02:44 PM

I first became aware of McCain when he co-sponsored a bipartisan climate change bill in the early 2000s.  I liked that he was willing to view climate change in objective terms rather than partisan terms.  I disagree with a lot of other stuff he has stood for over the years but I agree that he seemed to have some real integrity.

 

Since he was not only a human being but also a politician, there are naturally also many flaws and inconsistencies to point to.



#36 Victoria Watcher

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Posted 27 August 2018 - 02:51 PM

he met and started dating his second wife while he was married to and living with his first.  is that integrity?

 

http://www.dailymail...eft-behind.html


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#37 sdwright.vic

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Posted 27 August 2018 - 03:33 PM

You guys are awesome! Upset by a dead old white guy with a controversial history statue being taken down, but not giving a RECENTLY old dead white guy with a controversial history a break in a period of mourning. 🤯
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#38 Victoria Watcher

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Posted 27 August 2018 - 04:18 PM

i'm not even sure i knew vibrant victoria existed when the statue came down.  i support it moving somewhere, not being hidden away. 



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Posted 27 August 2018 - 04:38 PM

I support the statue down as well.. But come on guys, let the body get cold and his body lay under the rotunda before we start ripping the man apart.

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#40 Mike K.

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Posted 27 August 2018 - 06:35 PM

I first became aware of McCain when he co-sponsored a bipartisan climate change bill in the early 2000s. I liked that he was willing to view climate change in objective terms rather than partisan terms. I disagree with a lot of other stuff he has stood for over the years but I agree that he seemed to have some real integrity.

Since he was not only a human being but also a politician, there are naturally also many flaws and inconsistencies to point to.


He also co-sponsored the war in Iraq. Well, maybe not literally, but you get the point.

But alas he was as principled as dudes who love to wage war can be.

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