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[RFS]

I wonder if polled what % of actual native americans are offended by the name

[marks_28]

I wonder if polled what % of actual native americans are offended by the name

 

Likely more than those who aren't.

[Victoria Watcher]

Likely more than those who aren't.

 

not according to actual polls.

 

https://en.wikipedia...ative_Americans

Edited by Victoria Watcher, 13 July 2020 - 12:35 PM.

[marks_28]

Just looked this up right after I posted that, and was surprised. Interesting results. However, still doesn't change the fact that we probably shouldn't have a football team named after a racial slur.

[shoeflack]

I wrote a paper in university wherein I defended the use of the University of North Dakota athletics department using Fighting Sioux as their nickname (a name they have since changed). Mind you, this was in 2006, but at the time the majority of the research I did suggested the name was actually beneficial to the Sioux people and encouraged by them. Got a 92% on the paper...wonder what it would get today. Think I still have it at the parents' house.

[Victoria Watcher]

Just looked this up right after I posted that, and was surprised. Interesting results. However, still doesn't change the fact that we probably shouldn't have a football team named after a racial slur.

 

why is it a racial slur if those that it is allegedly directed at do not consider it as such?

 

should we start a "names commission" to determine what names are ok and which are not?

 

when was the last time "redskin" was used by someone in real life to talk down to an indigenous person?

 

what do we do with THIS TEAM or LEAGUE?  awkward.

Edited by Victoria Watcher, 13 July 2020 - 01:49 PM.

[marks_28]

So you think the name should stay?

[Victoria Watcher]

So you think the name should stay?

 

i dislike the name.  and the private business can do what they want.

 

not a huge fan of the mob rule and shaming etc. though.  

Edited by Victoria Watcher, 13 July 2020 - 01:53 PM.

[Rob Randall]

i dislike the name.  and the private business can do what they want.

 

not a huge fan of the mob rule and shaming etc. though.  

 

But you are conveniently bypassing the whole issue of offensiveness, keeping in mind there is a spectrum from mildly politically incorrect all the way to blatantly racist. 

 

I'm not going to be the one to tell an indigenous person the term "Redskin" is acceptable.

[Rob Randall]

Anyway, it's not like Dan Snyder woke up Woke one day. It was only when sponsors stirred things up the Redskins name change became a thing.

 

We have a local team called the Victoria Braves. That's an eastern term not used locally. Like "Eskimo"--not really an indigenous term but one white people imposed on those peoples. 

[Brayvehart]

why is it a racial slur if those that it is allegedly

what do we do with THIS TEAM or LEAGUE? awkward.

Awkward, how so?

The Six Nations Chiefs lineup is predominantly comprised of indigenous players, and get their name from the Six Nations Indian Reserve located nearby.

Big difference between their name and lineup composition compared to the Redskins in the NFL.

[Victoria Watcher]

Anyway, it's not like Dan Snyder woke up Woke one day. It was only when sponsors stirred things up the Redskins name change became a thing.

We have a local team called the Victoria Braves. That's an eastern term not used locally. Like "Eskimo"--not really an indigenous term but one white people imposed on those peoples.

we have a local football team with a name that people have not clued into yet.  people have yet to “discover” it is offensive.

Edited by Victoria Watcher, 13 July 2020 - 02:38 PM.

[Victoria Watcher]

Awkward, how so?

The Six Nations Chiefs lineup is predominantly comprised of indigenous players, and get their name from the Six Nations Indian Reserve located nearby.

 

nfl and nba teams are mostly black players.  ok them for them to assume racial names?

 

how do the black and white and asian and latino players on all the ola teams feel?

 

 

 

 

 

Edited by Victoria Watcher, 13 July 2020 - 02:41 PM.

[Rob Randall]

The link between the Victoria Rebels name and the Confederacy is tenuous. 

Edited by Rob Randall, 13 July 2020 - 02:37 PM.

[Victoria Watcher]

we've named places with anglicized native names like saanich.  did we ask permission?

 

and i posted this earlier if we go along with some team name changes like braves and chiefs why the heck do we have Christopher Columbus as part of our province name and Victoria and Vancouver as our names around here?

Edited by Victoria Watcher, 13 July 2020 - 02:47 PM.

[Brayvehart]

"nfl and nba teams are mostly black players. ok them for them to assume racial names?

how do the black and white and asian and latino players on all the ola teams feel?"



It's like arguing with a pigeon...

Edited by Brayvehart, 13 July 2020 - 02:52 PM.

[Victoria Watcher]

i'm truly sorry you can't see the much broader picture.  the hypocrisy.  the problems that all this racial justice causes.  or at the very least the few real problems it solves.

 

it's like arguing with a flea.

Edited by Victoria Watcher, 13 July 2020 - 02:56 PM.

[Brayvehart]

i'm truly sorry you can't see the much broader picture. the hypocrisy. the problems that all this racial justice causes. or at the very least the few real problems it solves.

it's like arguing with a flea.

Curse racial justice! Can't we all go back to a day when caucasians could say and do anything with no fear of repercussions? I truly feel sorry for you that you feel aggrieved when historically marginalized populations receive any form of redress, however trivial.

[Greg]

i dislike the name.  and the private business can do what they want.

 

So you're happy to let the free market decide...

 

not a huge fan of the mob rule and shaming etc. though.  

 

...except when you're not.

[Greg]

...the problems that all this racial justice causes...  

 

You said the quiet part out loud.