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#601 Mike K.

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Posted 14 October 2021 - 12:22 PM

There was no take-up because it wasn’t properly funded. It just had money thrown at it for a patch job, and it didn’t work out.

But yes, rehab isn’t successful for many. I'm sure from a government funding perspective it’s a challenge to keep funding because success rates are so low, and there’s only so much money in the pot.

Clearly, though, housing first hasn’t helped, when the supportive housing programs are stuck in the same line-ups waiting to get people the care or services they might need.

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#602 Victoria Watcher

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Posted 14 October 2021 - 12:27 PM

There was no take-up because it wasn’t properly funded. It just had money thrown at it for a patch job, and it didn’t work out.
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Don Evans, executive director of Our Place, said the facility provides opportunities for patients to get involved in activities that could lead to a career path, including the use of a kitchen, arts and craft room and a gym.

The Ministry of Mental Health and Addictions provided $4.7 million in funding. B.C. Housing provided a $310,000 grant for renovations and $1 per year lease with no property taxes for three years.

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#603 Mike K.

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Posted 14 October 2021 - 12:46 PM

Lots of greats ideas came out of that era, including promises that housing purchased by the province in 2016 would finally solve homelessness in Victoria, and lead to significant cost savings for taxpayers.

I don’t think addiction services that are not compulsory will work. Just like volunteer jail without repercussions doesn’t work.

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#604 Barrrister

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Posted 14 October 2021 - 01:21 PM

STOP. PLEASE STOP and take a few minutes or a couple of hours to really research what damage occurs to the human brain of drug addicts. Most of the so called solutions posted here are absolutely ridiculous (including this whole set of programs to house drug addicts that is being promoted by the city and the province)

once one grasps that we are dealing with individuals who are seriously brain damaged.

 

The brains of drug addicts are visibly damaged under an MRI scan. The dopamine center of the brain is usually totally compromised. They dont have control of their cravings and the craving is translated into a need almost as great as breathing (I am not being poetic, this is a literal need, more than food or sex). 

 

This is usually also compounded with damage to the part of the brain that evaluates risk. I do not mean that they just have bad judgment when it comes to drugs but in many cases of advanced drug dependency there is no ability to judge risk at all, They OD and the next day they are back to taking drugs. Their best friend dies, back to taking drugs. The part of the brain that evaluates risk and stops risky behavior is actually physically damaged  and often inoperative.

 

It is why treatment centers dont work in 98% of cases, it is why after a year in jail they still come out drug addicts. The bottom line sad fact is that it usually takes at least 3years for the brain to repair itself and parts of the brain like risk assessment dont repair at all, The other sad fact is that in many extreme cases the brain will never repair some centers such as risk evaluation and the cravings will remain life long and extremely difficult if not impossible to resist.

 

What amazes me is how many people with these  "agencies and programs" either bother bother to read the science or actually wilfully chose to ignore it. 

 

This not harm reduction were you set up a system where these poor souls just keep damaging their brains. The brain damage is both cumulative and often permanent. They are physically damaged and incapable of making rational decisions. 

 

Sorry, we really need to institutional these poor suffering souls, hope that some will recover after years of treatment and accept that many will never fully recover. 

 

But for god's sake STOP talking like we are not dealing with people who are seriously brain damaged.


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#605 Awaiting Juno

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Posted 14 October 2021 - 02:23 PM

STOP. PLEASE STOP and take a few minutes or a couple of hours to really research what damage occurs to the human brain of drug addicts. Most of the so called solutions posted here are absolutely ridiculous (including this whole set of programs to house drug addicts that is being promoted by the city and the province)

once one grasps that we are dealing with individuals who are seriously brain damaged.

 

The brains of drug addicts are visibly damaged under an MRI scan. The dopamine center of the brain is usually totally compromised. They dont have control of their cravings and the craving is translated into a need almost as great as breathing (I am not being poetic, this is a literal need, more than food or sex). 

 

This is usually also compounded with damage to the part of the brain that evaluates risk. I do not mean that they just have bad judgment when it comes to drugs but in many cases of advanced drug dependency there is no ability to judge risk at all, They OD and the next day they are back to taking drugs. Their best friend dies, back to taking drugs. The part of the brain that evaluates risk and stops risky behavior is actually physically damaged  and often inoperative.

 

It is why treatment centers dont work in 98% of cases, it is why after a year in jail they still come out drug addicts. The bottom line sad fact is that it usually takes at least 3years for the brain to repair itself and parts of the brain like risk assessment dont repair at all, The other sad fact is that in many extreme cases the brain will never repair some centers such as risk evaluation and the cravings will remain life long and extremely difficult if not impossible to resist.

 

What amazes me is how many people with these  "agencies and programs" either bother bother to read the science or actually wilfully chose to ignore it. 

 

This not harm reduction were you set up a system where these poor souls just keep damaging their brains. The brain damage is both cumulative and often permanent. They are physically damaged and incapable of making rational decisions. 

 

Sorry, we really need to institutional these poor suffering souls, hope that some will recover after years of treatment and accept that many will never fully recover. 

 

But for god's sake STOP talking like we are not dealing with people who are seriously brain damaged.

 

And in other cases of similar loss of capacity, the family (or state) would be enabled to step in and take decision making out of the hands of the person no longer having the capacity to make decisions. Many need to be wards of the state in a foster like environment with people who work in a very similar capacity as parole officers. What we're doing isn't working, it's just perpetuating the problem. We need to aggressively prevent the damage in the first place (anti-drug messaging, enhanced drug education, firm penalties for drug dealing), minimize harm once it has occurred (get drugs out of our parks and off our streets and into regulated facilities), enable entry into rehab and treatment, and where needed we need institutionalization.

 

Agree fully with Barrister. 


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