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#121 Bernard

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Posted 01 November 2018 - 04:09 PM

It is very hard to have someone run for mayor without some experience of being on a council and be an effective mayor.   This really reduces the pool of people to draw from that could be a good next mayor.   



#122 shoeflack

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Posted 01 November 2018 - 04:18 PM

I do get the sense that Jeremy is not a full-on Kool Aid drinker and that he has the potential to move beyond the Isitt/Helps sphere and make decisions that are not bound to a single ideology.

 

I think that's actually part of his strategy, to ride their coattails to legitimacy and then create his own brand. Having met him a few times outside of council chambers, he is very much a different thinker than those two. He's a pretty smart guy who is using the people around him to benefit himself. It's one of the reasons why I put him on my ballot. Wouldn't be surprised if he tries for mayor in 2022. He has a bit of a Don Iveson (Mayor of Edmonton) vibe.


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#123 Mike K.

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Posted 01 November 2018 - 04:23 PM

Absolutely. Jeremy’s a good guy.

Isitt will try to take over Rankin’s position as MP. Should he win we’ll have a by-election by early 2020. Stephen Andrew should remain in the spotlight until then in the event Isitt does pursue a run for MP.
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Posted 01 November 2018 - 04:45 PM

Absolutely. Jeremy’s a good guy.

 

"Good guys" don't micromanage the people of the city though.  He's certainly not the extremest that Isitt is, but he sure seems to take direction from the social justice crowd.


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#125 Rob Randall

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Posted 01 November 2018 - 07:56 PM

Stephen Andrew should remain in the spotlight until then in the event Isitt does pursue a run for MP.

 

Reminder that Chris Coleman lost three elections, 1990, 1993 and 1999.


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#126 Edwardp

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Posted 02 November 2018 - 08:01 AM

This is completely untrue; however, the fact that anyone thinks that is evidence that they didn't get their message out strongly enough.

Also the Helps and TV supporters were out there bleating "he's just angry and he doesn't like bike lanes" and variations thereof. They definitely umderstood that if you repeat the lie loudly and often enough, people will start to believe it.

 

Uh, the media did plenty to push that narrative, and so did Stephen. Did you miss this headline?
https://vancouversun...yor-of-victoria

How about his very angry address to council?

https://www.facebook...61002089540092/

Or some of his very angry youtube videos?

 

So how exactly did TV and Helps push this narrative? He did it all himself. Ignore that at your own peril. 



#127 rmpeers

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Posted 02 November 2018 - 08:12 AM

Uh, the media did plenty to push that narrative, and so did Stephen. Did you miss this headline?
https://vancouversun...yor-of-victoria

How about his very angry address to council?
https://www.facebook...61002089540092/

Or some of his very angry youtube videos?


So how exactly did TV and Helps push this narrative? He did it all himself. Ignore that at your own peril.

Firstly, I'm pretty sure Hammond didn't come up with the headline. You see, newspaper editors come up with headlines, and as far as I know, he isn't an editor at the Sun.

Otherwise, he did put out a lot of info and came across as reasonable and postive any time I heard him speak.

I could go on, but having tried in the past to reason with Helps supporters and such, I am aware it's wasted time. They cling to their talking points like gospel and cannot be dissuaded.

And it's to the mayor's credit (in terms of being a successful campaigner) that she understands her base very well.

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#128 Awaiting Juno

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Posted 02 November 2018 - 08:23 AM

Regardless, the best that can be done now is to learn from the previous experience and build towards something different the next time we go to the polls.  I think Jeremy might stand a very reasonable chance - he was one of the most popular counselors in the last election and I think he is more of an open thinker than many give him credit for.  I wouldn't be surprised if he starts to strike out on his own a bit this next term as he is no longer a rookie.


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#129 rmpeers

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Posted 09 November 2018 - 10:04 AM

I feel, on reflection, that the only path to success is to offer a reasonable, convincing alternative plan with details.

In this past election I, like others, felt that the misdeeds of Helps were so crystal clear that there was value in highlighting them. Wrong. As with Trump supporters, Helps supporters will not listen to or accept criticism of their candidate, no matter how much evidence you provide. It's wasted time and in fact tends to cause them to burrow in. The Helps team was successful in conditioning the flock to see any criticism as bullying of their progressive, compassionate candidate. CFAX? The OPCC? All just part of a conspiracy to stop the compassion and progress.

Just like when Trump calls the Dems an angry mob, the Helpsites see any criticism as a threat to the progressive future that they imagine their candidate is creating.

I expect the same will go for Isitt and the TV squad in 2022.
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Posted 13 November 2018 - 07:51 AM

I feel, on reflection, that the only path to success is to offer a reasonable, convincing alternative plan with details.

In this past election I, like others, felt that the misdeeds of Helps were so crystal clear that there was value in highlighting them. Wrong. As with Trump supporters, Helps supporters will not listen to or accept criticism of their candidate, no matter how much evidence you provide. It's wasted time and in fact tends to cause them to burrow in. The Helps team was successful in conditioning the flock to see any criticism as bullying of their progressive, compassionate candidate. CFAX? The OPCC? All just part of a conspiracy to stop the compassion and progress.

Just like when Trump calls the Dems an angry mob, the Helpsites see any criticism as a threat to the progressive future that they imagine their candidate is creating.

I expect the same will go for Isitt and the TV squad in 2022.


I think you're definitely onto something here. The biggest criticism I heard about New Council is that the campaign focused too much on criticisms of Helps and the previous council and not enough on presenting their alternative vision for the City of Victoria.

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Posted Yesterday, 09:08 AM

I think the electorate need to be reminded that city council really is a very mundane role - they need to be reminded what is within the mandate of city council, and that sometimes in order for things to work very well, those in the mundane roles need to focus on their jobs.  That means not making promises about eradicating homelessness, reversing climate change and fixing food insecurity.  Indeed it means focussing on things like policing, road maintenance and repair, zoning and bylaw enforcement.  It means trying to find ways of doing those very boring things more efficiently.  It means conserving resources so that those with both the mandate and know how on how to tackle those bigger issues (ie. provincial and federal governments) can do so in an environment that isn't muddled with the ineffective efforts of amateurs.  It's a boring job, but somebody has to do it, and you better hope whoever is doing it isn't distracted and does it well. You better hope that whoever is at that table isn't there with hopes of being invited to a bigger table - but is really focussed on making that table work and work well for those who must live with the decisions that are made. 


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#132 Nparker

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Posted Yesterday, 09:11 AM

Awaiting Juno: mayor and council for life.  :)



#133 Victoria Watcher

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Posted Yesterday, 09:14 AM

  It means trying to find ways of doing those very boring things more efficiently.  

 

I know a Red Seal carpenter who was recently with a major local construction firm as a project manager.  About six months ago, he was hired by the City in anticipation of the construction of the Crystal Pool.  Since then, he has been working maintaining City-owned elevators and comments how the most common sound that he hears around the office is snoring.  People literally sitting at their desks and sleeping.  Because the City can't figure out where to build the pool.

 
 

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#134 Midnightly

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Posted Yesterday, 01:42 PM

I think the electorate need to be reminded that city council really is a very mundane role - they need to be reminded what is within the mandate of city council, and that sometimes in order for things to work very well, those in the mundane roles need to focus on their jobs.  That means not making promises about eradicating homelessness, reversing climate change and fixing food insecurity.  Indeed it means focussing on things like policing, road maintenance and repair, zoning and bylaw enforcement.  It means trying to find ways of doing those very boring things more efficiently.  It means conserving resources so that those with both the mandate and know how on how to tackle those bigger issues (ie. provincial and federal governments) can do so in an environment that isn't muddled with the ineffective efforts of amateurs.  It's a boring job, but somebody has to do it, and you better hope whoever is doing it isn't distracted and does it well. You better hope that whoever is at that table isn't there with hopes of being invited to a bigger table - but is really focused on making that table work and work well for those who must live with the decisions that are made. 

 

 

and this would include no municipal government paid trips to Germany or across Canada for climate change conferences or trips to Alberta to check out the oil industry


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#135 rmpeers

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Posted Yesterday, 04:05 PM

and this would include no municipal government paid trips to Germany or across Canada for climate change conferences or trips to Alberta to check out the oil industry


And China to, what, inspect some steel and then again to discover the incredible ubike program.

I get how junket addition is a symptom of Mayoral $100k+ Salary Priviledge, but when your Jetset lifestyle comes at the expense of gouging overburdened taxpayers, you might want to rethink the approach.
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#136 Nparker

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Posted Yesterday, 05:45 PM

Do we lowly taxpayers really begrudge Lisa Helps a few measly dollars of our money to raise her profile and plant the seeds of her post-mayoral career?


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#137 Midnightly

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Posted Yesterday, 06:30 PM

Do we lowly taxpayers really begrudge Lisa Helps a few measly dollars of our money to raise her profile and plant the seeds of her post-mayoral career?

 

 

damn right i do! especially when you call the police to come deal with an issue and they basically tell you that they are too busy dealing with higher priority calls to come by or having to repair damage to my car because it hit too many really bad potholes



#138 Love the rock

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Posted Yesterday, 07:21 PM

And China to, what, inspect some steel and then again to discover the incredible ubike program.
I get how junket addition is a symptom of Mayoral $100k+ Salary Priviledge, but when your Jetset lifestyle comes at the expense of gouging overburdened taxpayers, you might want to rethink the approach.

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