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#3461 Victoria Watcher

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Posted 20 October 2019 - 07:40 AM

There is an exemption in the proposed policy which would exclude RG properties from the new rules.

 

https://pub-victoria...ocumentId=45846

 

ah yes.



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Posted 20 October 2019 - 10:18 AM

There is an exemption in the proposed policy which would exclude RG properties from the new rules.

https://pub-victoria...ocumentId=45846


So if youre going to exclude certain people, what's the point? Just all for show?
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Posted 20 October 2019 - 10:57 AM

So if you're going to exclude certain people, what's the point? Just all for show?

Keep in mind this is the same group who feel that artists are entitled to more affordable accommodation than others.


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Posted 20 October 2019 - 11:05 AM

So if youre going to exclude certain people, what's the point? Just all for show?

 

it sounds like they excluded groups that are using city facilities.  as presumably that would make some community programming unviable like seniors programs at cook street.

 

and they excluded anyone that had contracts in place.

 

so both of those would apply to the arena.


Edited by Victoria Watcher, 20 October 2019 - 11:07 AM.


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Posted 20 October 2019 - 11:48 AM

Where the rubber hits the road, this could be tough, and it sounds as though they've made a considerable number of exceptions.  The inclusion of health and welfare benefits does add up, but more so for older employees than younger ones - which has a bit of an irony to it, in that you could pay an older employee with a family less of a wage than a younger single employee because the employer's cost of their health and welfare benefits is higher.  Arguably, the older employee supporting a family needs a higher wage than the single employee without dependents.  Further, is it fair to pay a "living wage" when the individual's circumstances do not demand it?  For example, a high school student living at home who does not bear any expenses for living?  What does this do for the demand for post-secondary training? If a large part of a person's reason for undertaking training is to earn higher wages, then this removes that desire?  In short you wind up with a de-skilling of the labour force, as people fail to see the need to upgrade their skill set in order to earn living wages.  Lastly, this does nothing to alleviate the affordability issues, rather it will likely make the situation worse.

 

All for show - and it could backfire quite badly.


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#3466 Mike K.

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Posted 20 October 2019 - 12:05 PM

Imagine if you're a contractor that provides services to Victoria, Colwood, Metchosin and Saanich.

In order to qualify for Victoria contracts, you may be setting yourself up for failure at three other municipalities where you’ll be outbid.

So will the solution be to create spinoffs? How will the CoV react when they learn you have Acme Co Victoria and Acme Co South Island? $20/hour is not a big deal for some firms, but for others $17.50 may be their max in order to guarantee adequate full time and part time positions, and bid low enough to fetch work.

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Posted 20 October 2019 - 12:08 PM

^^^

 

This just reinforces the old saying "if socialists understood economics they wouldn't be socialists"


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#3468 Benezet

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Posted 20 October 2019 - 12:30 PM

I was just going to ask if the arena workers are City or private workers...


Most of the work that goes on at the arena is through contracted service providers. But that only goes so far – years ago, the fuel truck drivers at Vancouver Airport, who were working under a similar arrangement, successfully argued to the Labour Board that the labour contractor was effectively just a payroll service, with the ‘real’ employer being the group of airlines that owned the trucks and the fuel, and scheduled the service. If that were tested at SOFMC, it might be found that the actual employer is perhaps the owner, or the operator, or the hockey team, or the concert promoters (or some combination thereof).
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#3469 Victoria Watcher

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Posted 20 October 2019 - 12:40 PM

Most of the work that goes on at the arena is through contracted service providers. But that only goes so far – years ago, the fuel truck drivers at Vancouver Airport, who were working under a similar arrangement, successfully argued to the Labour Board that the labour contractor was effectively just a payroll service, with the ‘real’ employer being the group of airlines that owned the trucks and the fuel, and scheduled the service. If that were tested at SOFMC, it might be found that the actual employer is perhaps the owner, or the operator, or the hockey team, or the concert promoters (or some combination thereof).

 

i think you'll find though that rg (gsl group) owns all the contractors.  they used to use aramark but got rid of that in favour of their own brand.  their security team is also another rg brand.  likewise they own their own ticketing company.


Edited by Victoria Watcher, 20 October 2019 - 12:45 PM.


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Posted 20 October 2019 - 12:45 PM

i think you'll find though that rg (gsl group) owns all the contractors. they used to use aramark but got rid of that in favour of their own brand. their security team is also another rg brand. likewise they own their own ticketing company.


They own many, but not all.

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Posted 20 October 2019 - 12:47 PM

They own many, but not all.

 

well the security company the catering company the hockey team and the ticketing company and i'm not sure what else there is of significance.  their it department is run by a different private company (not theirs) that also has an office in the arena.


Edited by Victoria Watcher, 20 October 2019 - 12:48 PM.


#3472 Benezet

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Posted 20 October 2019 - 01:23 PM

well the security company the catering company the hockey team and the ticketing company and i'm not sure what else there is of significance. their it department is run by a different private company (not theirs) that also has an office in the arena.


The point I’m making is that there are limits to how far an entity can distance itself from the people who do its work, which could perhaps come into play with this – particularly if there are arbitrary exemptions.

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Posted 20 October 2019 - 03:23 PM

I wonder how far Isitt’s $10,000 catered lunch budget will stretch if his sandwich orders are limited to take-out from The Empress.

Are there any restaurants or cafes in the City of Victoria that pay nearly $20 per hour to every member on their staff? I don’t think so.
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Posted 20 October 2019 - 03:52 PM

Classic 'do as I say not as I do. 


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Posted 21 October 2019 - 05:35 AM

A few eyebrows were raised two weeks ago when the latest vital signs report stated that the living wage had dropped 5%+ from $20.50 to $19.39 per hour. I wonder if they were pressured to lower their estimates to support this new CoV policy. 



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Posted 21 October 2019 - 08:57 PM

Well - it looks like a by-election is in the works.  It's too bad the feds don't get to pick up the tab for poaching people off of city council.  Hopefully we can see a strong centre candidate compete for the seat.



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Posted 21 October 2019 - 09:07 PM

Well - it looks like a by-election is in the works.  It's too bad the feds don't get to pick up the tab for poaching people off of city council.  Hopefully we can see a strong centre candidate compete for the seat.

 

 

sadly i think any strong center candidate who would run probably won't get elected...at least with the current climate of those turning out to vote


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Posted 21 October 2019 - 09:24 PM

...the current climate of those turning out to vote


The decidedly left of centre political climate on the CoV council is the real emergency we need to address.
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#3479 RFS

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Posted 21 October 2019 - 09:54 PM

Let's not all kid ourselves yet again. It'll be whoever Ben isitt selects.
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Posted 21 October 2019 - 10:03 PM

I'm sure they've already got slick campaign materials ready to go for the new Together Victoria candidate. Some bland, completely meaningless empty words about housing and climate change, designed to appeal to folks who aren't inclined towards a great deal of intellectual exertion, and Bob's yer uncle. Any candidate who dares oppose the awesome might of Ben will be summarily branded a right-wing extremist, fascist, etc., etc....
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