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#381 RFS

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Posted 19 December 2018 - 12:12 PM

I would like to point out that Trump has ordered a full withdrawal of US troops from a meddlesome and futile war in the middle east on the same day as he signed a criminal justice reform bill specifically designed to reduce the number of people in prison.  If a Democrat president had done these things, the left would be wetting themselves in excitement 


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#382 Victoria Watcher

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Posted 19 December 2018 - 01:44 PM

I would like to point out that Trump has ordered a full withdrawal of US troops from a meddlesome and futile war in the middle east on the same day as he signed a criminal justice reform bill specifically designed to reduce the number of people in prison.  If a Democrat president had done these things, the left would be wetting themselves in excitement 

 

oh but CNN's take:

 

Trump is leaving the fight against ISIS (and influence in the Middle East) to Russia and Iran

 

https://www.cnn.com/...intl/index.html



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Posted 19 December 2018 - 01:48 PM

oh but CNN's take:

 

Trump is leaving the fight against ISIS (and influence in the Middle East) to Russia and Iran

 

https://www.cnn.com/...intl/index.html

 

Doncha know?  being a warmongering interventionist russophobe is the new cool and liberal thing to do  :cool:



#384 Rob Randall

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Posted 19 December 2018 - 02:24 PM

I would like to point out that Trump has ordered a full withdrawal of US troops from a meddlesome and futile war in the middle east on the same day as he signed a criminal justice reform bill specifically designed to reduce the number of people in prison.  If a Democrat president had done these things, the left would be wetting themselves in excitement 

 

Trump made the decision to bug out on Syria on impulse, ignoring the strong advice of his generals. You can't assume a Democrat (or normal Republican) would have made the same decision. 

 

Same thing with the justice bill. A Democratic president would have signed a more comprehensive version of the bill, so of course they're not enthused about the watered-down Republican version.


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#385 RFS

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Posted 19 December 2018 - 02:29 PM

You can't assume a Democrat (or normal Republican) would have made the same decision. 

 

 

You are right about this, Democrats and normal Republicans are equally terrible, especially on foreign policy.  Thank God we have Trump

 

 

Same thing with the justice bill. A Democratic president would have signed a more comprehensive version of the bill, 

 

A Democrat president didn't though.  Trump did.



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Posted 19 December 2018 - 02:35 PM

Now we just need to pull out of Iraq and Afghanistan. There’s your money for the wall. And the returning soldiers can build it. Or maybe we can use some of the $38 billion dollars in US taxes that is to be given to Israel in military aid over the next 10 years. After all, Israel already has a wall
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#387 Rob Randall

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Posted 19 December 2018 - 02:51 PM

You are right about this, Democrats and normal Republicans are equally terrible, especially on foreign policy.  Thank God we have Trump

 

 

A Democrat president didn't though.  Trump did.

 

I have to give Trump credit; it was his urging that changed that gasbag Mitch McConnell's mind on passing the bill.


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#388 Cassidy

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Posted 19 December 2018 - 03:21 PM

I would like to point out that Trump has ordered a full withdrawal of US troops from a meddlesome and futile war in the middle east on the same day as he signed a criminal justice reform bill specifically designed to reduce the number of people in prison.  If a Democrat president had done these things, the left would be wetting themselves in excitement 

Chances are a Democrat President wouldn't also be drowning in legal troubles, be on the cusp of being impeached, and potentially hauled into court for criminal prosecution as soon as his Presidency is over (if indeed the courts wait that long).

 

In short, if this was all Trump did (get out of Syria and the reform bill), he'd likely receive much praise for it.

But in light of the fact that he's done one or two "good deeds", the competing headline to those good deeds is one which lays out a case of how Trump and his family used the Trump Trust as a personal bank account, and as a result the Trump family (read Donald Trump) has agreed to dissolve the trust rather than go through the scrutiny of a fulsome investigation into Trump and his trust.

 

The lesson would be that you reap what you sew, and in this case Trump has sewn a life of dishonesty bordering on outright crime ... and combined it with the occasional good deed.

I'm afraid that occasional "good deed" doesn't get much praise in light of the rest of his actions, comments, and innuendos.


Edited by Cassidy, 19 December 2018 - 03:36 PM.


#389 Jason-L

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Posted 19 December 2018 - 03:23 PM

Trump made the decision to bug out on Syria on impulse, ignoring the strong advice of his generals. You can't assume a Democrat (or normal Republican) would have made the same decision. 

Well, perhaps a compromised Democrat in the pocket of Russian interests under increasing scrutiny for corruption, with his "best people" headed for prison time, maybe would make the same decisions.

 

Since pulling out of Syria generates some distracting news cycles, and cedes influence in the region to Russia.


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Posted 19 December 2018 - 03:36 PM

Chances are a Democrat President wouldn't also be drowning in legal troubles, be on the cusp of being impeached, and potentially hauled into court for criminal prosecution as soon as his Presidency is over (if indeed the courts wait that long).

 

the only impeached presidents in us history were both democrats.



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Posted 19 December 2018 - 03:43 PM

 generates some distracting news cycles

 

I think the opposition media has had that covered for years



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Posted 19 December 2018 - 03:45 PM

But for clarity, we should note that efforts to confirm the impeachment of those two Democratic Presidents was unsuccessful ... a little fact you left out of your observation.

Each one of those Presidents completed their entire term.

 

Perhaps more appropriate language would be to note that two Democrat Presidents were completely acquitted of impeachment proceedings by the Senate.

In reality, it was the Republican Nixon who knew he'd most definitely NOT get acquitted by the Senate, and simply resigned before that indignity was thrust upon him.


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#393 Victoria Watcher

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Posted 19 December 2018 - 04:00 PM

In reality, it was the Republican Nixon who knew he'd most definitely NOT get acquitted by the Senate, and simply resigned before that indignity was thrust upon him.

 

 

objection!  your honour, that calls for supposition.  


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#394 LJ

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Posted 19 December 2018 - 07:48 PM

I'm worried that Trump pulling the troops out of Syria is to cure the problem of Turkey vowing to begin a war with the Kurds. If Americans remained in place there was a good chance they would come in conflict with Turkish troops. Perhaps the US's need for the use of airbases and munition and supply bases in Turkey caused the pullout announcement. This leaves the Kurds in a very dangerous situation.


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#395 phx

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Posted 19 December 2018 - 07:51 PM

Chances are a Democrat President wouldn't also be drowning in legal troubles, be on the cusp of being impeached, and potentially hauled into court for criminal prosecution as soon as his Presidency is over (if indeed the courts wait that long).

 

I wouldn't have ruled those out had Hillary been elected.



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Posted 19 December 2018 - 07:55 PM

 

But in light of the fact that he's done one or two "good deeds", the competing headline to those good deeds is one which lays out a case of how Trump and his family used the Trump Trust as a personal bank account, and as a result the Trump family (read Donald Trump) has agreed to dissolve the trust rather than go through the scrutiny of a fulsome investigation into Trump and his trust.

 

 

Trump has been trying to shut the foundation down for two years, the NYAG prevented him from doing so. 

 

 

 

The president had said after the 2016 election that to avoid any appearance of conflict of interest, he would dissolve the foundation. But the attorney general’s office blocked him from doing so amid concerns about the handling of the foundation’s documents and assets.


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#397 nerka

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Posted 19 December 2018 - 09:31 PM

A Democrat president didn't though.  Trump did.

 

In fairness Obama supported a very similar bill and it was killed by House Repubs.

 

I do give Trump some credit. His support forced that toad McConnell to cave and actually allow a massively popular bill to be voted on in Senate.  Once Senate was allowed to vote it passed with 49 Dems and 38 Repubs.

 

If Trump wanted to he COULD be a good president. Since his base is so devoted to him and Repubs in Congress won't cross him, no recent Republican president has been in a more secure position to reach across the aisle and pass bipartisan priorities. IF HE WANTED TO. Sadly he is mostly lazy and corrupt and can't be bothered with the hard work of governing.


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#398 nerka

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Posted 19 December 2018 - 09:36 PM

New and more democratic rules coming to the US house under soon to be speaker Pelosi:

 

https://www.realclea...ep__138789.html

 

The Senate will still be a roadblock because McConnell is absolutely allergic to any true bipartisan efforts


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#399 Cassidy

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Posted 19 December 2018 - 10:27 PM

I wouldn't have ruled those out had Hillary been elected.

 

Supposition as to what might have happened had Clinton been elected is completely irrelevant to the conversation.

 

She wasn't elected, and you've got absolutely no idea what might have happened had she been elected.



#400 Mike K.

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Posted 20 December 2018 - 09:51 AM

FiveThirtyEight shows Trumps approval ratings in the polls among registered/likely voters has pushed from 35% in December of 2017 to 43% in December of this year. Trudeau's approval rating has plummeted from 46% in December of last year to 35% this year.


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