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#41 Mike K.

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Posted 14 January 2019 - 10:22 AM

If that’s its intention, Clarke wrote in a post on the Lawfare blog Friday, “China has moved from merely detaining Canadians as hostages to actually threatening — subtly, to be sure — to kill a Canadian who would otherwise not have been executed if it does not get what it wants.” - https://nationalpost...ks-after-appeal


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#42 RFS

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Posted 14 January 2019 - 10:25 AM

With all the Chinese nationals and Chinese money we have in Canada and the immense privileges they enjoy here, we have enormous leverage we COULD use against the Chinese, but knowing Trudeau we will probably give them everything they want as long as they agree to gender plus analysis. 



#43 Wayne

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Posted 14 January 2019 - 10:39 AM

RFS, on 14 Jan 2019 - 10:25 AM, said:

With all the Chinese nationals and Chinese money we have in Canada and the immense privileges they enjoy here, we have enormous leverage we COULD use against the Chinese, but knowing Trudeau we will probably give them everything they want as long as they agree to gender plus analysis. 

 

And why would he?

 

With the Trudeau Foundation pulling in millions of dollars from wealthy Chinese businessman in recent years, it would not make financial sense.

 

The Trudeau Foundation has been ranking in the money donations since he became PM, in particular from foreign donations.

 

https://nationalpost...-analysis-shows

 

https://www.theglobe...rticle33014375/



#44 Victoria Watcher

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Posted 14 January 2019 - 06:17 PM

https://nationalpost...o_autoplay=true

 

not content with just kidnapping canadians now china will kill them.



#45 Victoria Watcher

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Posted 15 January 2019 - 06:13 AM

China issues travel warning for Canada as diplomatic tensions mount

https://www.cbc.ca/n...tence-1.4978443

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#46 LJ

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Posted 15 January 2019 - 07:31 PM

So last year was the Canada-China year of tourism etc. I wonder what this year will be called?

 

https://www.destinat...ada.com/en/CCYT


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#47 VIResident

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Posted 16 January 2019 - 06:44 AM

Why can't Canada do this?

1.  USA you want your Huawei person? then gain the freedom of Canadians

2.  USA you don't want to do that? Fine, we then release the Huawei person to China in exchange for Canadians

3.  No Huawei corp. in Canada ever and all China business with Fed. gov. and private in Canada be reviewed and all non-essential

is stopped and essential replaced immediately with something else.

4.  Canadian business or persons who do business in China - you are on your own.

 

I know China & US is big for Canada in trade, perhaps we do without (whatever service/product etc.) if need be.

Trump is happy and while China wants its person back, they are pretty happy too - both because of the leverage in trade negotiations with each other that the Huawei situation that they created caused.

 

Time to stand up and tell these ******s to go **** themselves. 

 

 

#48 Victoria Watcher

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Posted 16 January 2019 - 06:50 AM

you want to halt all trade with us and China? Our economy would be 25% of what it is now and unemployment would be 50%. standard of living would fall to 50% of what it is now.

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#49 Victoria Watcher

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Posted 16 January 2019 - 06:52 AM

this us-based forum we are currently speaking on would also close.

you’d also have no twitter or Facebook to fall back on.

Edited by Victoria Watcher, 16 January 2019 - 06:53 AM.


#50 dasmo

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Posted 16 January 2019 - 01:25 PM

We need to side with the US here. Trump aside they are our brothers. If you have any doubts then look at a map. It sucks we’re in the middle of these two super powers but if they were violating the sanctions then perhaps holding the ceo accountable is the right thing to do? It’s a dangerous game where sides will need to be chosen and it’s obvious which side we need to chose. I’m glad I don’t have business in China that’s for sure!
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Posted 16 January 2019 - 01:32 PM

Sorry, I haven't been following as closely as I'd like, but could somebody brief me on why we* are upset China is executing a Canadian drug smuggler (this is like his third time getting caught, is it not?)? If you don't want to be executed in Asia, don't smuggle drugs. Has this idiot never seen Locked up Abroad?

 

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Posted 16 January 2019 - 01:35 PM

Sorry, I haven't been following as closely as I'd like, but could somebody brief me on why we* are upset China is executing a Canadian drug smuggler (this is like his third time getting caught, is it not?)? If you don't want to be executed in Asia, don't smuggle drugs. Has this idiot never seen Locked up Abroad?

*Canada


Because he was retried and given a new sentence (death instead of 15 years in prison) in a political response the Huawei arrest.

#53 jonny

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Posted 16 January 2019 - 01:41 PM

Because he was retried and given a new sentence (death instead of 15 years in prison) in a political response the Huawei arrest.

 

lol

 

#justice

 

Ohhhhhh China. And people thought they actually changed and weren't a horrible dictatorship obsessed with their image. This is the same China, after all, that threw a guy in jail for two years to referring to President Xi as "steamed bun Xi" in private messages.



#54 spanky123

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Posted 16 January 2019 - 01:42 PM

Because he was retried and given a new sentence (death instead of 15 years in prison) in a political response the Huawei arrest.

 

Hard to have too much sympathy for the guy. He has a long criminal record here for drug dealing and is likely responsible for many deaths due to overdose. Maybe China has the right idea.

 

Bottom line though is that Trudeau picked a fight with someone who was much bigger and stronger then he is and now he/we are paying the price. 


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#55 Rob Randall

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Posted 16 January 2019 - 02:37 PM

The Chinese don't mess around. They know how to maximize punishment for political gains. They've been doing it a long time.


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#56 Wayne

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Posted 16 January 2019 - 04:16 PM

No surprise.

 

Chinese government has rejected the Trudeau government’s appeal for clemency.

 

Guess JT and Freeland will hit back with some strong Tweets.

 

http://www.msn.com/e...BV&ocid=DELLDHP



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Posted 16 January 2019 - 06:04 PM

Heaven knows I've zero love lost for the Chinese state and the morally bankrupt Party dictatorship that runs it, but that said what part of ".....if you visit our country and commit offence "x" we will execute you" - with corruption and drug smuggling being right at the very top of the list - did not resonate with this clown? And who'd already had several brushes with the law and at least one very clear warning by a judge in this country?

 

.....perhaps words like "offence" or "execute" were too much for his limited cranium to absorb and comprehend? Quite clearly this guy is not the crispest chip in the bag.....

 

You have to go no further than YouTube to find examples of how summary sentences are meted out in China - the condemned is blindfolded, hands cuffed behind his back, frog marched either up to a wall or put in a kneeling position by a trench, and then has his brains blown out by a pistol shot to the back of the head. 



#58 Rob Randall

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Posted 16 January 2019 - 06:51 PM

^What, you don't think this loser is being used as a pawn? Or you just don't care?

 

A death sentence should never be used as a political tacctic under any circumstances.


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Posted 16 January 2019 - 08:05 PM

/\......sure he's being used, and a more more gift wrapped scenario the Chinese couldn't have asked for or been handed, courtesy of Mr Wizard. They'll use the threat of an execution to extract from this country whatever it can, as they know they can prey on the uber-sensibilities of a nation that just wants to be liked by everyone and wants us all to just get along. How sweet! And I'm certain the Chinese are just salivating over the opportunity this episode has presented to them.

 

And my point above stands - he's obviously not very bright. What - did ,he think the Chinese are just kidding around when their laws regarding drug smuggling are very clear and have been long established for decades before he was an evil gleam in his father's eye? That they would change or ignore those crystal clear and long established laws because he's a Canadian, perhaps for fear that Justin would have a good cry on camera or demand a Chinese apology? That they would tremble in fear at thought our PM would launch an all out military assault with our practically non existent armed forces? Likely the biggest thing Canada could do to hurt China would be to withdraw all those hockey coaches we send over there each year to teach budding Chinese Wayne Gretzky's......

 

Its irrelevant whether you or I like their laws, or agree with them: they are at the end of the day the law of that land. Period. End sentence. Don't like them, then I suggest you don't go there. And FFS don't go there and smuggle drugs of all things when the consequences are equally plain, at least to anyone with the functioning brain power of something higher than a cantaloupe......

 

I am sympathetic to his family who are probably decent folks and going through hell - but that is beside the point.

 

But how many chances does one expect out of life? He got off lightly by world standards in what passes for justice in this country by getting a proverbial slap on the wrist and a sound lecture by a Canadian judge. Woo-boy....a 'talkin' to' by a judge: the horror! As a society we're pretty soft on crime as a rule, especially compared to a behemoth like flipping Communist China. And you don't require an advanced degree in Astrophysics to know this. 

 

Clearly this guy is either delusional or just plain stupid; frankly I put this in the same category as "gee I wonder what will happen if I deliberately walk out in the middle of a busy highway and allow myself get hit by a car hurtling along at 120 kph?" You can't save people from themselves when they're that kind of brain dead....

 

Simple lesson here: know and obey the laws of whatever land you happen to be in - and especially a  monolithic one-party dictatorial state infinitely more powerful than your own country, and that "oh by the way" rightly or wrongly happens to be really pissed off with your home and native land, and is engaged in a diplomatic arm wrestling match that can really only have one outcome when push ultimately comes to shove. Of course they're going to grab and use you like a pawn, particularly when you've given them a gilt edge reason and pretense to do so.....

 

And while you may not support or believe in the death penalty regardless of the circumstances under which it is employed, roughly 60 nations in 2018 still retain capital punishment - and take a wild ass guess as to which one is Number One as of 2016 according to Amnesty International in terms of the number of people 'plonked' by the state on an annualized basis? Well, go to the head of class if you guessed China which per A-I executes on average 1000+ people every year.

 

So yeah, go there as a Canadian when they happen to be really, really pissed at things Canadian, and....smuggle. drugs. Good idea! Oh wait.....maybe not.


Edited by AllseeingEye, 16 January 2019 - 08:08 PM.

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#60 VIResident

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Posted 17 January 2019 - 05:13 AM

/\......sure he's being used, and a more more gift wrapped scenario the Chinese couldn't have asked for or been handed, courtesy of Mr Wizard. They'll use the threat of an execution to extract from this country whatever it can, as they know they can prey on the uber-sensibilities of a nation that just wants to be liked by everyone and wants us all to just get along. How sweet! And I'm certain the Chinese are just salivating over the opportunity this episode has presented to them.

 

And my point above stands - he's obviously not very bright. What - did ,he think the Chinese are just kidding around when their laws regarding drug smuggling are very clear and have been long established for decades before he was an evil gleam in his father's eye? That they would change or ignore those crystal clear and long established laws because he's a Canadian, perhaps for fear that Justin would have a good cry on camera or demand a Chinese apology? That they would tremble in fear at thought our PM would launch an all out military assault with our practically non existent armed forces? Likely the biggest thing Canada could do to hurt China would be to withdraw all those hockey coaches we send over there each year to teach budding Chinese Wayne Gretzky's......

 

Its irrelevant whether you or I like their laws, or agree with them: they are at the end of the day the law of that land. Period. End sentence. Don't like them, then I suggest you don't go there. And FFS don't go there and smuggle drugs of all things when the consequences are equally plain, at least to anyone with the functioning brain power of something higher than a cantaloupe......

 

I am sympathetic to his family who are probably decent folks and going through hell - but that is beside the point.

 

But how many chances does one expect out of life? He got off lightly by world standards in what passes for justice in this country by getting a proverbial slap on the wrist and a sound lecture by a Canadian judge. Woo-boy....a 'talkin' to' by a judge: the horror! As a society we're pretty soft on crime as a rule, especially compared to a behemoth like flipping Communist China. And you don't require an advanced degree in Astrophysics to know this. 

 

Clearly this guy is either delusional or just plain stupid; frankly I put this in the same category as "gee I wonder what will happen if I deliberately walk out in the middle of a busy highway and allow myself get hit by a car hurtling along at 120 kph?" You can't save people from themselves when they're that kind of brain dead....

 

Simple lesson here: know and obey the laws of whatever land you happen to be in - and especially a  monolithic one-party dictatorial state infinitely more powerful than your own country, and that "oh by the way" rightly or wrongly happens to be really pissed off with your home and native land, and is engaged in a diplomatic arm wrestling match that can really only have one outcome when push ultimately comes to shove. Of course they're going to grab and use you like a pawn, particularly when you've given them a gilt edge reason and pretense to do so.....

 

And while you may not support or believe in the death penalty regardless of the circumstances under which it is employed, roughly 60 nations in 2018 still retain capital punishment - and take a wild ass guess as to which one is Number One as of 2016 according to Amnesty International in terms of the number of people 'plonked' by the state on an annualized basis? Well, go to the head of class if you guessed China which per A-I executes on average 1000+ people every year.

 

So yeah, go there as a Canadian when they happen to be really, really pissed at things Canadian, and....smuggle. drugs. Good idea! Oh wait.....maybe not.

 

Per your advice here understand their rules and law?  Are you kidding?  law?  

 

Not only stay the hell out of China Canadians need to be aware they should not land in China for plane transfers etc.  Hell, I'd go so far to say don't even fly in that air space.

 

 

Updated 5 hours ago 

 

China detains Canadian family from Globe and Mail today, Thursday Jan. 17/19

Ti-Anna Wang, her 11-month-old daughter and husband were detained en route from Seoul to Toronto on a connecting flight through Beijing. She told The Globe and Mail that six police officers boarded the aircraft and escorted them off. 


Edited by VIResident, 17 January 2019 - 05:19 AM.


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