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1314-1318 Wharf Street
Uses: rental, commercial
Address: 1314-1318 Wharf Street
Municipality: Victoria
Region: Downtown Victoria
Storeys: 6
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[Downtown] 1314-1318 Wharf Street / Northern Junk | Rentals; retail | 6-storeys | Proposed


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#361 Rob Randall

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Posted 18 September 2020 - 11:20 AM

But the buildings must be rescued in precisely the proper manner. And, unfortunately, the proper manner is impossible to describe using written/spoken language or via visual examples

 

My God, this perfectly encapsulates every application I've seen that's been through the wringer.

 

Developers on their knees begging, pleading, just tell us what to do and the heritage apparatchiks speak from on high, "We cannot dictate how you build your building, only what we dislike".


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#362 zoomer

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Posted 18 September 2020 - 11:59 AM

Seriously, considering how small the site is, this NJ saga must have set some kind of world record for producing such a wide range of high-quality proposals, all of which were flatly rejected.


Nice visual summary there Aastra and totally agree with the idiocy of the process. I thought the new trend in government was to use plain language and more visuals? That sure would have been helpful with this proposal at any point in the past decade. That being said nearly all of those previous proposals were terrible - big blocky dated condo building vibe or even a Regent Hotel 2.0 as a previous caller mentioned. This one though is perfect considering the land they have to work with.

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#363 aastra

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Posted 18 September 2020 - 12:01 PM

I liked both of the super short proposals (but especially the version with the great townhouses) and I liked the mini-highrise version. But like I say, even the versions that I hated weren't phoned-in generic crap.



#364 Victoria Watcher

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Posted 20 September 2020 - 06:10 AM

What’s in a name? Quite a lot, if the name is “Junk.” It’s difficult to love and respect buildings called Junk, especially when that reflects only a brief part — the low-point — of their 160 years of history.

 

Most of us, if we invested in an important waterfront property, would probably plan at least to re-brand any old buildings that we inherited, especially if they carried that ignominious tag. How can one proudly promote such a place?

 
 
 


#365 Rob Randall

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Posted 20 September 2020 - 06:59 AM

Calling them Junk Buildings is a bit like referring to Craigdarroch Castle as Craigdarroch Military Hospital, which it was for a while. Or referring to the Parthenon in Athens as the Ottoman Gunpowder Store, which it briefly was.

 

 

Yet today we refer to the Janion Hotel even though the connection to Mr. Janion is tenuous and the hotel only operated for a couple of years.


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#366 aastra

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Posted 20 September 2020 - 11:59 AM

 

Yet today we refer to the Janion Hotel even though the connection to Mr. Janion is tenuous and the hotel only operated for a couple of years.

 

Are you talking about the Permanent Loan Building or the Bank of Toronto Building or the Toronto-Dominion Building?

 

If you like we can meet to discuss over beer at the City Lights Building on Swift Street, or on Government Street at the Bank of B.C. or the Bank of Montreal.

 

Just be warned, when I'm on Government Street I like to browse the bookshelves in the Royal Bank of Canada. And I can't resist buying some chocolate creams at Wilkerson's Jewellery.

 

Not convenient for you? We could meet up outside the Steamship Terminal or the wax museum. Or the Hotel Douglas or the Rialto.

 

Or by the Victoria Conservatory of Music. Or Nelson's music. Or the Pantages Theatre.

 

Or I can meet you by the Coronet.

 

Or by the Montreal Trust Building on Fort (the one with the big mosaic). Didn't you used to live in the Montreal Trust Building?

 

I just have to do some shopping at the HBC first.



#367 aastra

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Posted 20 September 2020 - 12:10 PM

 

Instead of trying to hide the buildings in amongst some alien towers, imaginative developers could seize the opportunity to celebrate that history...

 

This sort of deliberate misrepresentation just isn't funny anymore. No towers are currently proposed, and a review of past proposals will demonstrate that only ONE concept ever involved a tower (and a single short tower at that).

 

Suffice it to say, if 5- or 6-story buildings are towers then Victoria's old town is full of towers. And yet Victoria's old town ISN'T full of towers. The critics want to have things both ways.

 

The call for more imagination on the part of developers is really insulting to anyone who has any familiarity with this saga. The redevelopment proposals have been numerous and they've ranged wildly in architectural style, massing, and sheer size. You don't need to take my word for it. You can easily check the past concepts for yourself.

 

The myriad past concepts illustrate (literally) how misplaced these notions are about supposedly unimaginative NJ developers. Rather, it's the overly imaginative critics that have been the real problem. They continue to criticize monstrous redevelopment concepts that exist only in their minds.

 

I still haven't seen or heard anything that would lead me to believe the forces of eternal opposition have ever bothered to seriously consider any of the proposals to save those old buildings. After ~12 frickin' years! This entire saga has fully exposed the falseness at the core of "heritage preservation" politics in Victoria.

 


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#368 aastra

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Posted 20 September 2020 - 12:13 PM

 

I just have to do some shopping at the HBC first.

 

But from there I could walk a few blocks down Douglas to meet you at the Eaton's Centre.



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Posted 20 September 2020 - 12:16 PM

 

This entire saga has fully exposed the falseness at the core of "heritage preservation" politics in Victoria.

 

Just in case there was still a shred of doubt after the JSB saga...



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Posted 23 September 2020 - 04:35 PM

Too true Aastra. I am feeling just a bit hopeful. Of course after it is built I am sure it will be up for an award.

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