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#1 Mike K.

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Posted 13 August 2019 - 06:59 AM

Airlines have cancelled flights into Hong Kong while, while outbound flights have been cancelled for a second day now as a massive caravan of military vehicles has begin stationing in adjacent Shenzhen on the northern Hong Kong border.

 

Protestors have clogged the airport, reportedly, after weeks of protesting in the streets of Hong Kong.


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Posted 13 August 2019 - 04:18 PM

Jesus somebody is sure pissed off.

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Thank heaven for seven eleven.

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#3 Mike K.

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Posted 26 August 2019 - 01:51 PM

I'm surprised we don't have more discussion/debate on this issue.

 

What's everyone's take on the protests? They've been going on since late March.


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Posted 26 August 2019 - 02:10 PM

Remember all of your comments can will be used by the (wonderful and excellent) Chinese government in whichever way they see fit.
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Posted 26 August 2019 - 06:11 PM

I'm surprised we don't have more discussion/debate on this issue.

 

What's everyone's take on the protests? They've been going on since late March.

 

What interests me primarily are the pro-(Communist) China demonstrations in the West, including here in Canada, by among others Michael Chan, an ex-Ontario Liberal Trade minister. One just naturally has to wonder how much of this movement is sponsored by that very communist regime? IMO such actions and words such as Chan's are just short of traitorous:

 

https://nationalpost...ly-near-toronto

 

Let me get this straight sir: you lived off the public purse here in our democratic society for a time, and then very publicly uphold and stridently support a barbaric oppressive communist regime, one which is currently holding Canadian citizens on whatever fabricated trumped up charges they cared to make up? One that ironically, given your previous position, is simultaneously cratering Canadian-Chinese trade by arbitrarily banning various Canadian imports for a variety of ludicrous reasons....

 

The same country BTW that has the temerity to lecture Canada about "international law" - whether we like or even agree with holding the Huawei executive is irrelevant, we are in fact a signatory to an extradition treaty with another sovereign nation. We have no option but to honor its terms and conditions. That my Chinese friends is adhering to international law.

 

OTOH overt Chinese aggression and bullying tactics designed to claim vast swaths of the South China Sea - an area to which China has Zero historic claim - including the construction of massive military bases virtually within sight of several nations, which incidentally do have historic claims on that sea, are examples of not adhering to International Law.....

 

You spoke at an event Mr Chan sponsored by an organization well known to work hand in glove with the Chinese Consulate, and which therefore is really little more than an extension of the Communist Party. I suggest perhaps you are living in the wrong country sir. And rather than enjoying the benefits and rights and privileges afforded by Canada, in spite of the fact you have now slunk back to the private sector, that perhaps you would be better served returning to the Motherland that you so clearly still support.....

 

More interestingly from a purely human standpoint, is this op-ed from the LA Times by an ex-mainland Chinese Student, who now works for Human Rights Watch, trying to explain for those of us in liberal democracies, how and why it is that so many of these demonstrations are occurring in the West, by explaining the degree to which the Chinese State controls education, information and ultimately individual thought.

 

https://www.latimes....ents-propaganda

 

I found these passages both particularly illuminating and simultaneously damning:

 

"....For those us who grew up in a system where information control is all-encompassing, processing ideas contrary to what we were taught and believed all our lives is not easy. It takes an innate curiosity, constant reading of uncensored information and self-reflective thinking — none of which are encouraged in China.

 

".....it is only human to want to speak one’s mind, but when years of conditioning teach people that having one’s own thoughts and speaking them can bring serious reprisal, you gradually learn to avoid thinking for yourself at all. 

 

When I was in school in China, facing incomprehensible concepts like “the scientific system of Mao Zedong thought,” and “socialist system with Chinese characteristics,” I told myself not to think about their meaning but just to memorize them and regurgitate them on the exams. When you live under Communist Party rule, 'not thinking' is self-preservation...."


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#6 LJ

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Posted 26 August 2019 - 07:43 PM

My son lives in Hong Kong right in the middle of the action so we get weekly updates. On Global news Saturday night they were saying how polite and peaceful the protesters were. On ABC news they were showing a violent confrontation. If you only watched one newscast you would get only one view. Both were valid, the peaceful protest in one area, violence in another.

Some HKers believe the mainland government is bringing in paid protesters to get the violence going so they have political license to bring in the army.


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#7 Rob Randall

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Posted 04 September 2019 - 06:46 AM

The New York Times"In a speech Tuesday, Mr. Xi called on rising party officials to show resolve for a long struggle but suggested that the leadership could adjust its tactics to achieve its aims.". A day Later Carrie Lam withdrew the hated extradition bill. 

 

So the danger is not over yet it shows the power of protest and that for the moment Beijing is not escalating and the immediate fear of violence is tempered.

 

This thing has gotten too big, and with too much world attention for Beijing to send in the tanks like the old days. As I pointed out earlier this year, China's elder leadership have clear memories of the 60s and 70s when even the most minor transgression rewarded you with a public torture session. So they must be baffled as to how to manage this widespread display of blatant and violent disobedience. Xi is keeping things cool for now.


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#8 Rob Randall

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Posted 06 October 2019 - 07:20 AM

For the second time this week there was tension and confrontation in Richmond over pro-democracy protests for Hong Kong.

Around 200 demonstrators gathered at the Aberdeen SkyTrain Station in Richmond Saturday to put up messages of support for pro-democracy protestors in Hong Kong.

 

The gesture was in response to a similar event earlier in the week when a smaller group of people put up posters and hundreds of Chinese and English messages on a concrete wall, saying things like "Hong Kong is not China" and "Freedom for Hong Kong."

According to footage posted to social media, pro-China supporters arrived later and tore down the entire display.

 

 

https://www.cbc.ca/n...tests-1.5310805

 

So I guess this is boiling down to the old-school generation (and their children) that came to Richmond in the 80s and 90s who identify with Hong Kong and the newer immigrants who are more loyal to Beijing. 


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#9 spanky123

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Posted 06 October 2019 - 08:27 AM

Do we really know what they are actually protesting anymore? Is the goal now that China allow Hong Kong to become an independent democracy?



#10 Victoria Watcher

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Posted 06 October 2019 - 08:31 AM

well they certainly don’t want it moving one inch towards the mainland system.

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Posted 06 October 2019 - 08:47 AM

Do we really know what they are actually protesting anymore? Is the goal now that China allow Hong Kong to become an independent democracy?

 

Same five demands as before, from Wikipedia:
 

 

 

  • Complete withdrawal of the extradition bill from the legislative process: Although Chief Executive announced indefinite suspension of the bill on 15 June, reading on it may be quickly resumed. The bill was "pending resumption of second reading" in the Legislative Council. On 4 September, Carrie Lam announced that the formal withdrawal of the bill will be processed by Secretary for Security John Lee in the Legislative Council later.
  • Retraction of the "riot" characterisation: The government originally characterised the 12 June protest as "riots". Later the description was amended to say there were "some" protesters who rioted. However, protesters contest the existence of acts of rioting during the 12 June protest.
  • Release and exoneration of arrested protesters: Protesters consider the arrests to be politically motivated; they also question the legitimacy of police arresting protesters at hospitals through access to their confidential medical data in breach of patient privacy.
  • Establishment of an independent commission of inquiry into police conduct and use of force during the protests: Civic groups felt that the level of violence used by the police on 12 June, specifically those against protesters who were not committing any offences when they were set upon, was unjustified; police performing stop-and-search to numerous passers-by near the protest site without probable cause was also considered abusive.[67] Some officers' failure to display or show their police identification number or warrant card despite being required to do so by the Police General Orders is seen to be a breakdown of accountability.[68] The existing watchdog lacks independence, and its functioning relies on police co-operation.
  • Resignation of Carrie Lam and the implementation of universal suffrage for Legislative Council and Chief Executive elections[69]: Currently, the Chief Executive is selected by a 1,200-member Election Committee, and 30 of the 70 Legislative Council seats are filled by limited electorates that represent different sectors of the economy, forming the majority of the so-called functional constituencies.


#12 LJ

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Posted 27 November 2019 - 08:05 PM

Canada retreats from democracy

 

https://www.msn.com/...jing/ar-BBXjSZi

 

Trump signs pro democracy bill

 

https://www.washingt...2f5e_story.html


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