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[max.bravo]

Yes I was last at the hatchery in 2024. You are right there are some fish species that spawn in the stream naturally.
But the large percentage of fish returning to that river are raised in tanks in a location that’s not naturally accessible to fish.

The spawnable length of Goldstream is very short compared to most other salmon rivers because of the waterfalls. The only reason it’s such a spawning attraction is because its numbers are boosted hugely by an unnatural effort to add way more fish than the river could naturally support. It’s clown world.

[dasmo]

You make it sound like it is fake. It is not. The Waterfall is maybe what makes it so special because the salmon can't spread out. 

 

"For many generations, the families of the North Saanich (Tseycum and Pauquachin), South Saanich (Tsartlip and Tsawout) and the Malahat (who live on the west shore of Saanich Inlet) have fished coho, chinook and chum stocks in Goldstream River."

"The hatchery at Goldstream River is called the Howard English Hatchery (herein Goldstream hatchery).  Goldstream River is a modern day example of a mixed salmon stock fishery (wild and enhanced salmon stocks inhabiting the same spawning habitat).  Hatchery stocks originated from wild coho and chinook brood stocks indigenous to Goldstream."

 

 

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[dasmo]

They started the hatchery because of declines in the salmon. They didn’t just make up a fake run.

[Mike K.]

Are these hatcheries meant to supply enough fish so we can continue fishing them in open waters?

[dasmo]

This one got started because someone noticed a decline happening. There is some history on their site.

[Mike K.]

So if there is a decline and we need to artificially hatch the salmon, why is fishing permitted along the river during spawning season?

[dasmo]

The decline was timed after industrial scale activity not from a few fishermen. Urbanization without consideration, indiscriminate logging and overfishing would be the causes. Many a salmon spawning river has been destroyed by logging on the island. Probably still are. There wasn’t much of a repercussion from it so why consider it? When I was into the topic, it was a $10,000 fine. Cheaper to pay the fine than to consider the land. When I was a deckhand the fisherman complained about this.

I’m not sure but the individual who drove this project was probably a fisherman.

[Mike K.]

Robot:

In 2021, an estimated 800,000 sockeye salmon of Canadian origin were caught by the Southeast Alaskan fishing fleet.
In 2022, an estimated 2.1 million fish of Canadian origin were caught in the Southeast Alaskan fishery.
Tens of thousands of Canadian-origin Chinook and coho salmon are also harvested in Alaskan fisheries, many of which come from threatened or endangered populations.

[Blair M.]

Robot:
 

Intentional or unintentional, the Lost In Space reference, using 'Robot" to refer to all A.I. is excellent!

[Mike K.]

It’s Dasmo’s term! It’s great!

[dasmo]

It’s funny because the Robot can be totally wrong and speak it like it’s totally true. Always ask it to check its work with source links! It can also admit it’s wrong when it is right and then give the same right answer again. This proves it is fact a language simulator and not artificial intelligence. Super useful though. I’m selling my comic collection and it’s just great for creating listing content. After you beat the emojis out of it!

[Mike K.]

This is how the game is played, btw:

Exhibit A: Canfisco Group, which is part of the Jim Pattison Group, is a large Canadian conglomerate. The Canfisco Group operates significant commercial fishing and processing businesses in Alaska through its subsidiaries.

Exhibit B: The Canadian Food Inspection Agency requires seafood to be labelled according to where it was processed, not where it was caught or farmed, meaning fish from Canadian waters could be labelled as an international product. - https://www.cbc.ca/n...story-1.7486665

Exhibit C: In 2021, an estimated 800,000 sockeye salmon of Canadian origin were caught by the Southeast Alaskan fishing fleet. In 2022, an estimated 2.1 million fish of Canadian origin were caught in the Southeast Alaskan fishery. - Robot

And we wonder why fewer and fewer local salmon are returning to local spawning sites, despite all of the local curtailments to fishing, habitat restoration, local restrictions and in our case, inability to readily improve a deadly highway that serves as the single road route into Greater Victoria.

[dasmo]

It wouldn't improve much. It would add a bike lane. A light there would improve it a lot and reduce accidents. 

 

Not sure how they know those fish origins.... Did you ask the robot for source? 

 

Also the commercial fishery left here to move up north because we decimated the fish here due to a total disregard by the logging industry IMO.  

[Mike K.]

It ought to be four-laned all the way across the Malahat into Bamberton.

But we are insufferable.

[dasmo]

It ought to be four-laned all the way across the Malahat into Bamberton.

But we are insufferable.

Why? 

[Mike K.]

Safety, first. Efficiency, second, and greater redundancy, third.

The river will be fine. This is entire province is built on major highways alongside major rivers.

[dasmo]

Safety, first. Efficiency, second, and greater redundancy, third.

The river will be fine. This is entire province is built on major highways alongside major rivers.

Intersection would be safer. Would they just have no left turn from the park? We will be fine without a major highway there. Maybe better. I already can't book a campsite on the island. Can't get a doctor. Traffic is brutal even on a Saturday afternoon. We have a lot more to improve before this little spot. 

[FogPub]

Intersection would be safer. Would they just have no left turn from the park? We will be fine without a major highway there. Maybe better. I already can't book a campsite on the island. Can't get a doctor. Traffic is brutal even on a Saturday afternoon. We have a lot more to improve before this little spot. 

Intersection might be safer but would certainly be a hell of a lot less efficient.

 

Highway 1 shoud be a full-on freeway without a single traffic light or uncontrolled access between Tillicum Rd and south Nanaimo (and there's a good argument for making Tillicum an interchange as well).  If that means building a whole new highway beyond Leigh Rd 'cause the current one is beyond salvaging, then get on and do it.

[dasmo]

Self driving cars will make all of that redundant.

[FogPub]

Self driving cars will never happen on that sort of scale.