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[DustMagnet]

That's populism and it's very wrong and hateful and stuff like that. Only acceptable opinions cooked up by experts are allowed.

 

But you're not seriously saying that such decisions should be made by popular vote...? 

 

If you want Highway McHighwayface this is how you get Highway McHighwayface.  Or rather, it's how you get to Idiocracy. 

All the VV FB poll asked was "Do you want a detour?".  Well duh, in the absence of any further details about how you get it or what the impact might or might not be, why not?  That's not where the expert opinions are needed, it's the implementation that's the trick.

 

But the nuances of the issue were already discussed (argued?) here before the poll appeared, so it's nothing new.

I still want a tunnel.
 

[Mike K.]

If the province is discussing the creation of a detour, what else is there to ask if not whether one supports the creation of a detour?

[Mike K.]

And the unelected level of government nestled between your municipality and the province has spoken.

 

CRD Board Approves Motions on Malahat Alternate Route
Mar 13, 2019

Victoria, BC– The Capital Regional District (CRD) Board has approved two motions related to highway infrastructure development through CRD lands as an alternate route for the Malahat Highway. The Board placed itself on record opposing new highway infrastructure development that is open to the public through Sooke Hills Regional Park. The Board is also in opposition to highway infrastructure development in the Greater Victoria Water Supply Area and the Drinking Water Protection Zone. The motions were brought forward by the Regional Water Supply Commission and the Parks and Environment Committee after their meetings on February 20 and 27.

 

“The Board has very carefully considered the motions that were brought forward today,” said CRD Board Chair Colin Plant. “We heard clearly from residents on their concerns of an alternate route through these lands, but will continue to work through this process with our partners at the Province.”

 

Following the Board decision today, Chair Plant will request a meeting with the Premier to stress the urgency of the situation for residents and the CRD Board. Chair Plant will also write, on behalf of the Board, to the Premier, copying the Ministers responsible for Environment and Transportation as well as Members of the Legislative Assembly representing constituencies on Vancouver Island.

 

CRD staff was first approached by the Ministry of Transportation and Infrastructure (MOTI) last fall and discussion on the south Island plan and alternate route was held at the CRD Board meeting on November 14, 2018. MOTI launched a southern Vancouver Island transportation strategy by press release on January 9, 2019. The area of focus is existing and future multi-modal infrastructure projects on southern Vancouver Island and will look at current transportation demands and develop a roadmap for future investments across all modes.

 

The CRD has directed staff to continue to participate on the MOTI working group to evaluate and report back on options for an emergency bypass route for the Malahat section of the Trans-Canada Highway. The planning report will be finalized once both the CRD and the Ministry review and agree on the final content.

 

A new motion with notice was introduced at the March 13 CRD Board meeting on Transportation Improvements on Highway 1 and Highway 14 Corridors. This motion was referred to the Transportation Committee meeting in April for consideration. The CRD looks forward to recommendations from the Province that will come out of the southern Vancouver Island transportation strategy.

[Coreyburger]

Have you studied the demographics of VV's 26,000+ Facebook page fans, Corey? If not, how would you know what the make-up of the page's fans are, who among them voted, and whether they consider themselves pro or anti-car?

 

It is self-selecting

[Mike K.]

So the question now is, what does the CVRD think of the proposed detour? 

[DustMagnet]

If the province is discussing the creation of a detour, what else is there to ask if not whether one supports the creation of a detour?

 

I don't think it's wrong to ask the simple question, it's just that the simple answer cannot dictate the result without consideration that the general public may not have the expertise in.

[Nparker]

 

...Following the Board decision today, Chair Plant will request a meeting with the Premier to stress the urgency of the situation for residents and the CRD Board...

There's an urgency not to build an emergency bypass route? 

[Victoria Watcher]

i also did not understand that wording.

[Mike K.]

I don't think it's wrong to ask the simple question, it's just that the simple answer cannot dictate the result without consideration that the general public may not have the expertise in.

 

The general public is acutely aware of the troubles facing the Malahat corridor, the impacts accidents along that corridor have, and the ramifications of having a single, congested route in and out of the BC Capital.

 

As far as societal issues go, it's a fairly simple one for people to understand and relate to, I think.

[rjag]

Meh, the CRD board and the local sycophants dont give a crap about the issues on the Malahat thats pretty obvious. This is all about no more infrastructure, anti-personal auto etc etc.

 

As Mike Farnworth said about CoV councillors 

 

“In a nutshell, you can say that sometimes the kids can’t play in the sandbox, and dad has to come in and say ‘This is how it’s going to be.’ ”

 

 

[sdwright.vic]

An unscientific assessment of the make-up of responders to an unscientific poll is used to underpin why that poll is unscientific.



Have you studied the demographics of VV's 26,000+ Facebook page fans, Corey? If not, how would you know what the make-up of the page's fans are, who among them voted, and whether they consider themselves pro or anti-car

Hilarious that this one is declaring a poll unscientific when everything that they support is pipe dreams and fancy.

Yeah... build it and they will come.

Oh but they haven't yet?

Oh... uh well its not complete yet!

Edited by sdwright.vic, 13 March 2019 - 05:38 PM.

[sdwright.vic]

That's populism and it's very wrong and hateful and stuff like that. Only acceptable opinions cooked up by experts are allowed.

You forgot to do "experts".

[On the Level]

Why did they even float the idea of an alternate route? There isn't going to be one we all know it. You can't build anything anymore in this country. 

 

The Westshore is pumping out infrastructure including highways and guess where this is near....

 

And the unelected level of government nestled between your municipality and the province has spoken.

 

CRD Board Approves Motions on Malahat Alternate Route
Mar 13, 2019

Following the Board decision today, Chair Plant will request a meeting with the Premier to stress the urgency of the situation for residents and the CRD Board. 

 

I am sure the CVRD is also having meetings with the Premier as is the Westshore.

 

Considering the detour route doesn't really go anywhere near the true watershed for drinking water, the CRD has been reduced to Isittism. 

[FogPub]

Glaringly missing from the CRD article is any suggestion of what the CRD's better idea - or even different idea - might be to solve the problem.

 

"Do nothing" is not an option.  Given that, any complaint about any proposed solution holds no validity unless accompanied by a different proposed solution.

[Mike K.]

Rail is their preferred choice.

[Cats4Hire]

rail is very useful for getting anyone that would be using the malahat to VGH, Jubilee, UVic, Uptown, anywhere Downtown further than like Blanshard, anywhere other than VicWest/bits of Langford/tiny part of downtown, etc

[tedward]

Rail is their preferred choice.

 

Of course.

• Already established corridor.
• Far more energy efficient method of transport.
• Less impact on the environment.
• Connects major communities.
• Provides real alternative, not an "emergency" bypass.

[Victoria Watcher]

 

Of course.

• Already established corridor.
• Far more energy efficient method of transport.
• Less impact on the environment.
• Connects major communities.
• Provides real alternative, not an "emergency" bypass.

 

 

twice as slow as driving.  goes to no real popular destinations (vgh uvic camosun airport).

Edited by Victoria Watcher, 14 March 2019 - 07:48 AM.

[jonny]

We need a permanent, alternate to Highway 1 (A.K.A. the Malahat). 

[Mike K.]

I'm convinced the CRD just passed the buck to the CVRD.