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[lanforod]

what?  getting closer to people might land you in hospital?   maybe a few sports.  i assume most couples are still sleeping in the same bed.  that's tens of millions of canadians getting close every night.  and day sometimes even. 

 

Just one simple example: staying home reduces car accidents.

 

Why do I feel like you're playing devil's advocate with everyone here on every little thing. Start taking this seriously. man.

Edited by lanforod, 16 March 2020 - 07:24 AM.

[Victoria Watcher]

Just one simple example: staying home reduces car accidents.

 

great.  then why not reduce car usage all the time?  less people in hospital is always good.

[Victoria Watcher]

Why do I feel like you're playing devil's advocate with everyone here on every little thing. Start taking this seriously. man.

 

i am taking it seriously.

 

but i reserve the right to question every bit of this situation especially "official" responses.  and yes a lot of what i do is "devils advocate" stuff but that's also known sometimes as "looking at the other side nobody is willing or able to".  i contradict myself often.  i'm often tired of people that only take one point of view and not thinking of the bigger picture and unintended consequences.  people that say things like "if we save just one life then (inserts billions of dollars for a solution) is worth it".  it's not.  

 

right now too many people are just listening to health professionals.  and politicians.  those two often have no economics experience and none are in the private sector - where most of us live.  and almost everything that people care about - rightly or wrongly - is about the economy.  how much money they have in their pocket.

Edited by Victoria Watcher, 16 March 2020 - 07:38 AM.

[Stephen James]

Another aspect to the social distancing is to reduce accidents/hospital visits to ensure capacity is available should this thing go nuts.

It’s not just about keeping people away from the virus.

Yes.  Any decision that can lower the demand is a good one.  Any decision that can slow the spread is essential right now.

We need to act urgently and decisively but there isn't any reason to panic or be scared.  If leaders communicate a lot (it always takes about 5-10 x as much as you think) about how important this is we can have a huge impact.

The difference we can make is this:  250,000 people needing a ventilator today, vs 250,000 people needing a ventilator over the next many months, by way of illustration.  

[Nparker]

Oh great, another hi-jacked thread. 

[Victoria Watcher]

250,000 people needing a ventilator today, vs 250,000 people needing a ventilator over the next many months, by way of illustration.  

 

if we shut down for 6 months 250,000 will need a home.  that's how many will have nothing left for rent in just 2 or 3 months.

Edited by Victoria Watcher, 16 March 2020 - 07:40 AM.

[Bernard]

In 1918 the CIty shut down completely for 33 days and that had a marked impact on the death rate in Victoria.  Vancouver, which did not shut down completely, had a death rate three times as high per capita

[Stephen James]

Oh great, another hi-jacked thread. 

Hey, if you're complaining because the topic has changed from an election to covid-19... ok.  Bye.  

I dont think the election is relevant any more and bet that will be final today.

Maybe we need a pandemic thread then?  (It is a pandemic, btw.)

[Greg]

Hey, if you're complaining because the topic has changed from an election to covid-19... ok.  Bye.  

I dont think the election is relevant any more and bet that will be final today.

Maybe we need a pandemic thread then?  (It is a pandemic, btw.)

 

You mean like this one? 

 

https://vibrantvicto...-83#entry531649

[Stephen James]

You mean like this one? 

 

https://vibrantvicto...-83#entry531649

yes thank you!  c'ya when we try this again

[Rob Randall]

Chief Electoral Officer Chris Coates says, “The Chief Medical Health Officer for Island Health has made the following recommendation: “That the April 4th by-election be postponed until the pandemic is declared over”.

[Bernard]

That could be months till the pandemic is done

[Stephen James]

That could be months till the pandemic is done

If we get our collective $%#t together, it could be 8-12 weeks.

[Stephen James]

Chief Electoral Officer Chris Coates says, “The Chief Medical Health Officer for Island Health has made the following recommendation: “That the April 4th by-election be postponed until the pandemic is declared over”.

I can't find this quote but I need it for something...

[Kapten Kapsell]

https://www.cheknews...lection-655348/

Here’s the article

[Rob Randall]

Word just in that the Ohio primary has been postponed. A judge had ruled it could go ahead but the local health official overruled it.

 

Interesting that a health official has that power and maybe our local electoral officials decided to advise that our election be cancelled rather than having health officials tell them so.

[Bernard]

The powers of the BC Chief Medical Officer are quite draconian - though the government has to declare a state of emergency for the powers kick in

[Victoria Watcher]

The powers of the BC Chief Medical Officer are quite draconian - though the government has to declare a state of emergency for the powers kick in

 

 

Draconian is an adjective meaning great severity, that derives from Draco, an Athenian law scribe under whom small offenses had heavy punishments (Draconian laws).

 

https://en.wikipedia.../wiki/Draconian

 

for those keeping score.  use every lock-down as a learning opportunity.

 

also:

 

Victoria, BC was known to have been the centre of at least two duels near the time of the gold rush. One involved a British arrival by the name of George Sloane, and an American, John Liverpool, both arriving via San Francisco in 1858. Duel by pistols, Sloane was fatally injured and Liverpool shortly returned to the US. The fight originally started on board the ship over a young woman, Miss Bradford, and then carried on later in Victoria's tent city.^[34] Another duel, involving a Mr. Muir, took place around 1861, but was moved to a US island near Victoria.

 

https://en.wikipedia..._20th_centuries

Edited by Victoria Watcher, 17 March 2020 - 08:18 AM.

[rmpeers]

Obviously, they need to postpone, but I wonder how much extra this will all cost CoV taxpayers. I dread to think how much we've all chipped in to advance Laurel Collins' career.

Also, with Carole James not running next year, I assume one of our beloved local leaders will be eyeing that seat up, which presumably might drag us and our wallets through the whole process again.

[Nparker]

 

I dread to think how much we've all chipped in to advance Laurel Collins' career.

She should be made to foot the costs personally.