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[Nparker]

The best thing about Eby becoming the new #1 for the NDP is that it significantly improves the BC Liberals (or whatever they will be called) chance of winning the next provincial election.

[On the Level]

Recall petition for Eby

 

https://www.change.o...ecall-david-eby

[Nparker]

Our recall legislation is beyond useless, but good on the petitioners for making the effort.

[dasmo]

change.org is useless. There is an official recall petition process that if followed will work. The only thing change.org does is make people feel like they did something.  Of course our recall process is very difficult.... https://elections.bc...tiative/recall/

[Mike K.]

It's not useless.

 

Media and private organizations can quietly buy the lists of petition signers, and use them for their own benefit.

[Nparker]

...There is an official recall petition process that if followed will work...

When has it worked to recall an elected official?

[dasmo]

When has it worked to recall an elected official?

Never but... This same process was used to recall the HST successfully. I had a friend on that team. They had rented multiple vans that they stored the physical petitions in and would move them around with an equal amount of van's empty. They also got a lot more than 10% in anticipation of any technicality cancelling the signature. 

[Nparker]

Even Eby is not as universally despised as the HST, although he probably should be. 

[dasmo]

Even Eby is not as universally despised as the HST, although he probably should be. 

Sure, Just pointing out that nothing changes through change.org. Mike called it's purpose out. Anyone signing it will achieve nothing but more political advertisements... 

[Stephen James]

Sure, Just pointing out that nothing changes through change.org. Mike called it's purpose out. Anyone signing it will achieve nothing but more political advertisements... 

Just to clarify... calling the HST was a good idea in hindsight?

[dasmo]

Just to clarify... calling the HST was a good idea in hindsight?

I'm not sure what you are asking here. I was pointing out that the same recall legislation was successfully applied in recalling the HST as an example of it's use. 

[FogPub]

It's not useless.

 

Media and private organizations can quietly buy the lists of petition signers, and use them for their own benefit.

Which makes it both useless and a breach of privacy.

 

Signing a petition should never expose anyone to anything beyond the simple fact of one's name being on said petition.

[dasmo]

But Change.org isn’t just a platform for progressive change, despite what its .org designation implies. It’s actually a clever business model that’s reaping decent money from the “outrage economy”. As a private company, Change.org is under no obligation to disclose its earnings, but Change.org’s global head of external affairs, Jake Brewer, told news.com.au the firm has not yet turned a profit.

 

Change.org makes its money through “sponsored petitions”.

This is done in two ways. The first is petitions that are sponsored by an organisation or company which pays Change.org to host it and spread the message to its members. According to national director Karen Skinner, Change.org has 25 clients in Australia. Its clients locally are overwhelmingly not-for-profits such as Amnesty International and Walk Free, while it has one commercial company on its books.

These clients don’t just pay to get their petitions in front of people interested in their agenda. For them, the ideal outcome is if, when signing their petition, you also leave the box ticked that gives the client your email address. Change.org gets paid for every email address that is sent to their clients.

 

https://www.news.com...5b6fc6a2056094e

[Mike K.]

Which makes it both useless and a breach of privacy.

Signing a petition should never expose anyone to anything beyond the simple fact of one's name being on said petition.

That’s par for the course.

Tread lightly out there!

[Victoria Watcher]

Two more high-profile NDP cabinet ministers have announced they’re not running to replace Premier John Horgan, further solidifying a likely coronation for Attorney General David Eby.

https://www.timescol...-runner-5595485

Edited by Victoria Watcher, 18 July 2022 - 04:42 PM.

[Nparker]

David Eby may be the BC Liberals best shot at winning the next election.

[LJ]

Even Eby is not as universally despised as the HST, although he probably should be. 

Is he universally despised, though? 

 

Listening to Keith Baldry talk about him makes it seem like he's the greatest thing since sliced bread.

[Nparker]

Is he universally despised, though...

I think Eby might just be despised enough to give the BC Liberals an edge. How they might choose to leverage that is anyone's guess at this point. Much of the NDP's recent good fortune was tied to John Horgan's "everyman" quality. Eby doesn't have that.

[lanforod]

Still curious if Dix takes another swing at it

[Spy Black]

I think Dix might have stood a chance prior to the COVID situation ... but I don't think he stands one now.

 

I don't think too many British Columbians were impressed with his endless, and somewhat hollow press conferences related to the virus. 

He, in effect, has suffered from overexposure of the same personal trait that sunk him in his previous run for Premier ... which is his innate ability to speak for 20 minutes without actually saying anything, or committing to anything.

 

He comes across as vapid, which (IMO) makes him un-electable.