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#1 gumgum

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Posted 13 March 2007 - 09:34 AM

This b&b on the corner of Cook and Dallas has got an application out for a "restaurant/ tea room".
I'd be excited - a restaurant on Dallas road would be a great addition. I'd be excited except for the "tea room" portion.

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Posted 13 March 2007 - 10:36 AM

Wow, that'd be neat, but I'm sure will face opposition.
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#3 m0nkyman

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Posted 13 March 2007 - 11:13 AM

And it better have some support.....

#4 Holden West

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Posted 13 March 2007 - 11:38 AM

Will Dallas Road survive the invasion by Earl Grey? Or will the No-Fun Brigade triumph?
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Posted 14 March 2007 - 06:59 AM

This would be awesome, Id love to have somewhere to go to tea after a romp on the beach. The Beacon Hill Drive In is great on the other side of the park, but this side needs something for sure as well.

If anyone hears when the hearing will be let us know so we can support it.
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#6 Willa

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Posted 14 March 2007 - 09:46 AM

I love stopping in at the Ogden Point Cafe after a walk along Dallas Road -- so it would be good to have something in the other direction.

#7 gumgum

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Posted 14 March 2007 - 12:48 PM

The hearing was on February the 7th according to the poster up outside the b&b. I can't find anything on whether it was approved or not.

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Posted 14 March 2007 - 01:26 PM

Oh, yeah--now they want a tea room, next they'll want a gelato bar, and a liquor license, then a beer and wine store, and slot machines, and a casino, then a greyhound racing track, and a time-share condo resort convention centre cruise ship terminal aquarium/Cirque de Soliei exhibition.

You know how it goes.
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Posted 14 March 2007 - 01:45 PM

And I was worried that I was the only person who sees this as the edge of a slippery slope.

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#10 gumgum

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Posted 14 March 2007 - 06:27 PM

So does "tea room" generally mean liquor free?

#11 Jada

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Posted 15 March 2007 - 02:47 PM

It will probably mean 'expensive'.

#12 Barra

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Posted 15 March 2007 - 08:41 PM

Yes. Tea room means liquor free, and generally does not morph to a licensed estabishment (though a glass of sherry might be nice, with the trifle....)
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#13 gumgum

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Posted 15 March 2007 - 08:56 PM

^That's too bad.
It'll never be a popular dinner venue.

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Posted 10 April 2007 - 06:59 AM

Sometimes I just hate this ****ing city.

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Tea for two? Not at this B&B
Council turns down proposal for tea room at Dashwood Manor

Carolyn Heiman, Times Colonist

Published: Tuesday, April 10, 2007

After a long walk along Victoria's picturesque Dallas Road, a lot of people imagine stopping in for a nice cuppa somewhere.

But there are only two commercial places along or near the 4.5-kilometre oceanfront walk where people can stop for a break.

Dave Layzell, owner of the Dashwood Manor bed and breakfast, said walkers regularly come to their door at the corner of Cook and Dallas Road wondering if they can be served tea. But the answer is "no."

Victoria council told the Layzells the same thing when they recently asked to rezone their bed and breakfast to allow a tea room to operate from the building across from Beacon Hill Park.

Layzell told council they're prepared to limit the hours of operation of a tea room that would seat 50 after renovating one of the bedrooms in their operation.

Several council members agreed it would be a great location for a tea room but the stumbling block is the fact that the rezoning required for a tea room would also allow a full-service restaurant.

Mayor Alan Lowe said there are no plans to increase commercial activity along Dallas Road. If the tea room is allowed, other folks along Dallas Road might want to do the same thing and there is no interest in further commercializing that area.

Coun. Geoff Young said the neighbourhood support for the change would likely vanish if a restaurant, complete with tour buses pulling up, evolved in the location.

A spokesman for the area's neighbourhood association said there is no objection to a tea room in the location with limited hours of operation, but the neighbours would oppose a full-service restaurant.

The city needs to develop a specific policy for tea rooms to separate them from restaurant operations, said Wayne Hollohan, chairman of the planning and zoning committee for the Fairfield Community Association.

He added the Layzells have been "tremendous neighbours."

But even if a covenant was put on the property defining the hours of operation, changes would require only council approval and not a public process, said Hollohan.


© Times Colonist (Victoria) 2007




I'm embarrassed sometimes that I live in this neighbourhood. I wouldn't be the type to go to a place for tea, but if there's demand for it, why the hell not? That being said, I bet it's one or two neighbours who voiced concern. I bet most in the area would welcome a restaurant.

#15 gumgum

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Posted 10 April 2007 - 07:01 AM

Mayor Alan Lowe said there are no plans to increase commercial activity along Dallas Road. If the tea room is allowed, other folks along Dallas Road might want to do the same thing and there is no interest in further commercializing that area.

And this really pisses me off. Just approve this one and reject other future proposals - it's really not that complicated.

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Posted 10 April 2007 - 07:12 AM

The city needs to develop a specific policy for tea rooms to separate them from restaurant operations, said Wayne Hollohan, chairman of the planning and zoning committee for the Fairfield Community Association.

Well, that's an interesting take, isn't it? It echoes, ever so faintly, what you're saying gumgum (approve this one, uniquely, and make sure it doesn't result in a whole bunch of others), yet at the same time it sounds like Hollohan is recommending "spot zoning," which is exactly what he and others have opposed in the past -- when it didn't suit them. Seems kind of ironic that in this instance he's seeing the light on the benefits of so-called spot zoning (which some of us might call being flexible and smart).

Maybe it'll make the one-size-fits-all "we must have iron-clad zoning in place" crowd think twice. If ever there was a good reason for "spot zoning," this is it. (But I hope that term goes out the window now, too.)
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Posted 10 April 2007 - 07:44 AM

Wayne campaigned against spot zoning in the last election.

Personally I was looking for this setting a precedent that would spread along Dallas Road :smt096

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#18 Holden West

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Posted 10 April 2007 - 08:22 AM

The Ogden Point Cafe and the Beacon Drive in have been there for years and haven't sparked any viral spread of commercialism. In fact, they've become beloved, irreplaceable members of the community.

"Spot zoning" is one of those loaded phrases like "family values", "war on terror" and "hard-working taxpayer". As soon as you hear that phrase you know what they're about to say.
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#19 Icebergalley

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Posted 10 April 2007 - 08:56 AM

Spot Zoning.. a very loaded term..

If you check the City of Vic zoning guides, they discuss "site specific" zoning... which is often confused and categorized by opponents to the application as "spot re-zoning"


Yes, when you hear "spot zoning" start evaluating the application for...

Is it in the public interest?

Will it be discriminatory... gives permission to one and refuses it to another?

Will it favour or hurt one party without regard to the public interest?

It pays sometimes to have the reasons for the decision tabulated with the refusal..

IMO just saying that it is "spot re-zoning" is not enough..

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Posted 10 April 2007 - 07:46 PM

It would seem to me that it would be pretty easy to have a class of license that would permit beverages and snacks and no cooking facilities. Have the hours of operation dictated by the community association.
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