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[Benezet]

Here’s something for anyone wishing to learn about old burial sites on this area:

https://www.capitald...-salish-oak-bay

I was hoping VW would read this and respond.

[spanky123]

The parents, the grandparents told of their treatment to their offspring, the children today, 10, 20, 30 years ago witnessed their relatives anguish in many ways. The effects of electric chairs, repeated child rapes, even murder and certainly missing relatives who attended the hell-holes that white people relegated them to, is very much a part of each community today.  

 

So now we had electric chairs at residential schools as well?

 

Was anyone in Canada EVER killed by electric chair?

[Benezet]

So now we had electric chairs at residential schools as well?

Was anyone in Canada EVER killed by electric chair?

These would have been of a type intended for corporal punishment, not capital punishment.

[spanky123]

These would have been of a type intended for corporal punishment, not capital punishment.

 

I know one survivor from St Anne's claimed that an electric chair was used but is there any documented evidence that one ever existed?

[Rob Randall]

I know one survivor from St Anne's claimed that an electric chair was used but is there any documented evidence that one ever existed?

 

Yes, but it wasn't for execution--kids were strapped to it for punishment, or just for fun.

[Benezet]

Yes, but it wasn't for execution--kids were strapped to it for punishment, or just for fun.

More: https://newsinteract...l-opp-documents

[max.bravo]

why is nobody discussing the downgrade in certainty and magnitude that occurred between initial news release and recent press event. It went from “confirmed” #215 children “some as young as three” to, “the number is 200.” And now they are radar anomalies...for which no ages can be ascribed, and the word “confirmed” was conspicuously never used.

[Spy Black]

why is nobody discussing the downgrade in certainty and magnitude that occurred between initial news release and recent press event. It went from “confirmed” #215 children “some as young as three” to, “the number is 200.” And now they are radar anomalies...for which no ages can be ascribed, and the word “confirmed” was conspicuously never used.

1. Does it really matter at all if it's 200 or 215 dead children?
2. That the children had died in school custody isn't a "guess", it's confirmed and backed up with evidence in the Truth and Reconciliation Report.
3. Unless you are putting forth an alien abduction theory, common sense and confirmed local history tells us that these "radar anomalies" found on residential school grounds are indeed the scores of dead children.
4. Wouldn't just one abused, scared First Nations child that had been stolen from his/her parents only to die in church custody actually be enough to promote outrage? ... or do you have a specific number of dead children in mind - after which the outrage might be justified?

Edited by Spy Black, 18 July 2021 - 06:21 AM.

[Victoria Watcher]

The Tseshaht First Nation in Port Alberni says it plans to start investigating this coming week whether there are unmarked graves on land around the former Alberni Indian Residential School.

A project co-ordinator will be hired, along with a company providing ground-penetrating radar services, Chief Ken Watts said Friday.

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Watts said federal and provincial funding is expected to cover the costs of the work.

https://www.timescol...site-1.24343476

The Alberni Indian Residential School operated between 1900 and 1973. It was destroyed by fire three times and rebuilt.



now put those facts together.

and objectively tell us what is driving this new work. 48 years later.

the nation has a budget of about $20 million per year:

https://tseshaht.com...s-Mar-20-FS.pdf

so with the nearly BILLION DOLLARS of revenue the band has received in the past 48 years they never until now decided to do any investigation? why would that be?

Edited by Victoria Watcher, 18 July 2021 - 06:37 AM.

[VIResident]

TRIGGER WARNING

 

hmmm.... I couldn't be bothered to add up the billions of dollars the 'system', the 'schools', churches, all levels of gov. Indian Affairs etc. etc., racked up for their 'operations'.  This isn't a tit-for-tat this is about children who were alive when forced in a 'residential school system' to remove and isolate them from their homes, their community, traditions and culture all for the purpose of (rape, murder, abuse) assimilation into the white 'culture' and ended up DEAD and their bodies DUMPED.

 

(".....") A few weeks into the school year, the physical assaults became sexual. As Mr. Jack lay pretending to sleep, he would hear the sound of approaching footsteps and then a priest would appear at the foot of his bed: “128, get up.”

After raping him, the priest would force Mr. Jack to kneel beside him.

“They would say, ‘Pray for forgiveness for what you made me do to you.’”

 

Dozens of times, Mr. Jack and his brother tried to flee, only to be stopped by police officers who spotted them on the roadway.

“We told them what was happening, and then they would take us back to the school, go into [the principal’s] office and tell him what we said,” Mr. Jack said. “He would tell them that we’re lying, and the police would leave, and then he would beat us with his strap.”

 

During one escape, the boys had just passed the school’s hockey rink and barns when Mr. Jack’s brother signalled for him to stop. About 40 feet away, he saw two older boys digging graves. Beside them were two small bodies.

“We went around them,” Mr. Jack said. “We still tried running away that night. Cops caught us, we told them and they didn’t believe us.”  https://www.theglobe...ential-school/ 

Edited by VIResident, 18 July 2021 - 07:31 AM.

[FawltyVic]

https://www.ctvnews....ident-1.5513755

 

Researchers say that TB at residential schools was no accident

 

Two experts in tuberculosis say the mass death from TB at residential schools was no accident, but the result of deliberate neglect that was part of Canada's broader genocidal project.

Lena Faust, a PhD student at the McGill International TB Centre in Montreal, and Courtney Heffernan, manager of the Tuberculosis Program Evaluation and Research Unit at the University of Alberta, acknowledged in a July 12 Globe and Mail op-ed that it's unknown how many of the children whose remains were uncovered from unmarked graves in the past two months died as a result of TB.

But as early as 1907, chief medical officer of the Department of Indian Affairs Peter Henderson Bryce identified schools an ideal vector for TB transmission, going as far as to say it was "almost as if the prime conditions for the outbreak of epidemics had been deliberately created."

 

 

 

https://saskatoon.ct...elmas-1.5513218

 

Sask. First Nations starting search for unmarked graves at former residential school in Delmas

 

SASKATOON -- A group of Saskatchewan First Nations is beginning their search for unmarked graves at the grounds of the former Delmas/Thunderchild Indian Residential School.

The Battlefords Agency Tribal Chiefs (BATC) announced in June the plan to search for potential unmarked graves in this area 160 kilometres northwest of Saskatoon.

The ground-penetrating radar search began this morning with a smudge ceremony, mental health counsellors and elders are on-site for support.

 

 

 

https://www.timescol...site-1.24343476

 

Tseshaht First Nation set to begin investigating former Alberni residential school site

 

The Tseshaht First Nation in Port Alberni says it plans to start investigating this coming week whether there are unmarked graves on land around the former Alberni Indian Residential School.

A project co-ordinator will be hired, along with a company providing ground-penetrating radar services, Chief Ken Watts said Friday.

 

 

 

https://vancouverisl...hools-1.5513580

 

Ahousaht First Nation receives $75,000 to search for graves at residential schools

 

VANCOUVER -- A First Nation on Vancouver Island will soon begin an emotional search for unmarked graves at two former residential school sites near Tofino.

The Ahousaht First Nation has received $75,000 from a GoFundMe campaign launched after the Tk'emlups te Secwepemc First Nation first announced its discovery of 215 unmarked graves at a residential school in Kamloops at the end of May.

Ahousaht representatives received the funds at a public ceremony in Victoria on Saturday. The nation plans to use the funds to cover the cost of using ground-penetrating radar at two residential schools on its traditional territory.

 

 

 

https://winnipegsun....-system-bill-64

 

'IT'S NOT HISTORY': Rally at Legislature protests residential school system, Bill 64

 

 

For Alice McKay, the harm done by the residential school system was was not some ancient historical occurrence.

 

“It’s not history,” said McKay, one of the speakers at the No Truth, No Reconciliation Rally held on the steps of the Manitoba Legislature on Saturday morning to protest the damage caused by residential schools and the provincial government’s Bill 64 Education Modernization Act while calling for the resignations of Premier Brian Pallister and newly-appointed Indigenous Reconciliation and Northern Relations Minister Alan Lagimodiere. “When we’re talking about the residential schools and we’re talking about the genocide of Indigenous people, it’s not history. I’m barely in my mid-30s and I was 12 when the last residential school closed (in 1996). My four children, the oldest isn’t old enough to get a learner’s permit and he is a second generation Sixties Scoop survivor.

 

 

 

https://www.newsopti...vors-1.24343168

 

New province-wide appeal to raise funds for residential school survivors

 

Saskatchewan’s Catholic bishops, to fulfill the Indian Residential Schools Settlement Agreement, have made a new province-wide appeal in raising funds that would help the survivors and their respective communities. The agreement states that $25 million would be paid to survivors and focusing on healing and reconciliation, cemeteries on the sites of former residential schools, and education and cultural support.

According to the Roman Catholic Diocese of Saskatoon, the move is part of the ongoing efforts and commitment by the Canadian Catholic church to reach out to Indigenous people for healing and reconciliation.

 

 

 

https://www.cbc.ca/n...hewan-1.6104732

 

Regina archbishop attends Cote First Nation gathering of residential school survivors

 

Survivors call for apology from Pope and release of church documents

 

Saskatchewan residential school survivors shared their painful and graphic stories Thursday — and the region's Roman Catholic archbishop was there to hear them.

 

Survivors at the Cote First Nation told Regina Archbishop Donald Bolen he was brave for making the effort, but told him talk is useless without action.

Some said the church has betrayed them and broken too many promises.

"The church is going to crumble," one survivor said. "We don't need the church. We need our culture."

 

 

 

https://saskatoon.ct...downs-1.5513316

 

'It's symbolic': FSIN raises flag for residential school survivors at Marquis Downs

 

SASKATOON -- The Federation of Sovereign Indigenous Nations (FSIN) held a flag raising ceremony Saturday morning at Marquis Downs, but it wasn’t the traditional Canadian flag.

An orange flag, mirroring the Canadian flag was raised honour First Nations children that didn’t make it home from residential schools.

The flag also has a child’s handprint in orange toreplaces the traditional maple leaf.  The handprint is MLA Betty Nippi-Albright’s granddaughter

 

 

 

https://www.cbc.ca/n...moved-1.6102789

 

Sask. church removes plaque donated by residential school teacher who elders say abused children

 

Elders from the Cote First Nation in Saskatchewan have succeeded in getting a plaque removed from the property of St. Philip's Roman Catholic Church in Kamsack, Sask.

 

According to elders, the plaque was donated by Ralph Gray, a longtime music teacher at the St. Philip's Indian Residential School, which operated from 1928 to 1969. Gray has since died.

Elders, who spoke with CBC News via a group phone call, said Gray sexually abused several Indigenous boys who were forced to attend the residential school, and that the plaque was triggering for residential school survivors.

 

 

 

https://www.yorktont...site-1.24342540

 

Former Muscowequan residential school made national historic site

 

The former Muscowequan residential school in Lestock, Sask. has been designated a national historic site under the National Program of Historical Commemoration.

 

Call to Action 79 from the Truth and Reconciliation Commission called for national commemoration of residential school sites and the history and legacy of residential schools.

 

Jonathon Wilkinson, minister responsible for Parks Canada, announced the designation on July 8.

 

 

 

https://leaderpost.c...slative-grounds

 

Mandryk: Time for a residential school memorial at the legislative grounds

 

Those posting on social media that the residential school story is overblown shows Lenin's concept of the "useful idiot" is alive and well.

 

At a time when some want to see public statues torn down, it might seem odd to suggest we need one more.

 

But missing in Wascana Centre where the Saskatchewan Legislative Building is located is a monument to residential school survivors.

 

It’s time for one.

 

Indigenous people need other things more desperately — clean water and better schools on First Nations are two that come to mind. If all we are going to do is make symbolic gestures, we shouldn’t bother.

 

 

 

https://twitter.com/...599964831076353

 

WATCH: Two statues outside Our Lady of Mercy Roman Catholic Church in Queens, dating back to 1937, were vandalized twice this week. “She looked like she had some kind of hammer or something and started smashing.”

Edited by FawltyVic, 18 July 2021 - 09:32 AM.

[spanky123]

1. Does it really matter at all if it's 200 or 215 dead children?
2. That the children had died in school custody isn't a "guess", it's confirmed and backed up with evidence in the Truth and Reconciliation Report.
3. Unless you are putting forth an alien abduction theory, common sense and confirmed local history tells us that these "radar anomalies" found on residential school grounds are indeed the scores of dead children.
4. Wouldn't just one abused, scared First Nations child that had been stolen from his/her parents only to die in church custody actually be enough to promote outrage? ... or do you have a specific number of dead children in mind - after which the outrage might be justified?

 

The point is that we know there were dead children at every residential school. Over the course of 100 years people passed away from a variety of causes. The country apologized, paid billions of dollars in restitution and has implemented many of the T&R recommendations. Does it change the outcome if the confirmed number of dead children over 100+ years was 51 or 200? Time to move on and focus on economic development and using the money received to provide a future for the various band members. Tell me how any of this benefits the person living in a run down shack on a reserve?

Edited by spanky123, 18 July 2021 - 09:54 AM.

[Victoria Watcher]

^ one of the survivors that spoke at the press conference said most of the money from the settlement was all spent on alcohol and drugs by many recipients.

not sure there is much left.

[Victoria Watcher]

Cross that overlooked Cowichan Valley from Mount Tzouhalem cut down

No confirmation that destruction of religious symbol was related to residential schools issue

https://www.vicnews....halem-cut-down/



what a bunch of assholes. we live in a democracy. if you want **** removed just go through the fairly simple process.

when you vandalize **** you just show how much of a loser you are.

Edited by Victoria Watcher, 18 July 2021 - 12:09 PM.

[VIResident]

Cross that overlooked Cowichan Valley from Mount Tzouhalem cut down

No confirmation that destruction of religious symbol was related to residential schools issue

https://www.vicnews....halem-cut-down/



what a bunch of assholes. we live in a democracy. if you want **** removed just go through the fairly simple process.

when you vandalize **** you just show how much of a loser you are.

 

Wow.  Good standing up for the church!  Way to go on calling down those that dropped a cross. 

No posts from you calling out child rapists in the residential school system over a hundred years?

No mention from you on how awful the people are that left children to die of disease? 

Nothing for the kids that were murdered?

How about the Moms & Dads, the communities whose children were torn from them?

Or just a word for each child buried beside the residential schools across Canada?

Nothing? Zip? Nadda?

[VIResident]

BTW - the Victoria Watcher, on 18 Jul 2021 - 1:06 PM is OFF TOPIC.

 

[FawltyVic]

BTW - the Victoria Watcher, on 18 Jul 2021 - 1:06 PM is OFF TOPIC.

 

Actually it's not off topic. It could be connected.

 

Since the first press release on the locating of multiple unmarked graves, there has been a string of crimes committed against churches, Aboriginal artifacts and memorial sites

 

This recent incident is just another in a long line.

 

It has yet to be proven this was not connected to the recent news of the residential school in any way.

 

I don't think this is a bunch of kids/young adults who were looking to vandalize. Nor was it a scrap thief.

[FawltyVic]

https://www.timescol...lues-1.24343433

 

Charla Huber: Chiefs' display of leadership reflects Indigenous values

 

Last week, nine First Nations came together to speak in a collective voice against the violence and vandalism occurring in our region.

The First Nations produced and signed a letter that explained the recent acts of vandalism were not the acts of their communities and were not endorsed or supported by them.

[LJ]

Real reconciliation is not happening...

 

 

https://www.pugetsou...arvey-oberfeld/

https://www.pugetsou...arvey-oberfeld/

[FawltyVic]

Cross that overlooked Cowichan Valley from Mount Tzouhalem cut down

No confirmation that destruction of religious symbol was related to residential schools issue

https://www.vicnews....halem-cut-down/



what a bunch of assholes. we live in a democracy. if you want **** removed just go through the fairly simple process.

when you vandalize **** you just show how much of a loser you are.

I just noticed something. It could be something or it could be nothing.

 

Take a look at the base of the cross in the photo of this article taken shortly after it was cut.Does anyone see the graffiti? Normally it would be thought of as an ordinary tag, someone marking their identity. They're all over downtown. Victoria City Police keep a database of their local taggers.

 

Now take a look at this. This is from July 9th of this year by Orca Cove Media:

 

https://twitter.com/...7880707/photo/1

 

Am I seeing this correctly?