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#841 max.bravo

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Posted 14 July 2022 - 09:25 AM

More experts (speaking anonymously) casting doubt on the “confirmed 215” narrative.

It seems this site has been dug up and re-dug over the last 80 years. No bodies found to date.

https://tnc.news/202...nmarked-graves/

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Posted 16 July 2022 - 07:44 PM

https://www.cbc.ca/n...egins-1.6518841

 

Search for potential burial sites begins at former residential school on Vancouver Island

 

Tseshaht First Nation chief says results of search expected in fall

 

Courtney Dickson · CBC News · Posted: Jul 12, 2022 7:58 PM PT | Last Updated: July 12

 

WARNING: This story contains distressing details.

 

The Tseshaht First Nation, located on central Vancouver Island, has begun the search for unmarked burial sites at a former residential school on its territory. 

 

On Tuesday, the search began, using ground-penetrating radar, a technique employed by dozens of First Nations across Canada embarking on similar searches. 

 

Elected Chief Ken Watts, who also goes by Wahmeesh, said the Tseshaht First Nation in collaboration with survivors from the Alberni Indian Residential School, has been working on launching a search since last summer.

 

"We've been on a journey as a nation and a former host of where the residential school has been in our territory, a school that we never asked for, but a school we've had to live with as an open wound," he told All Points West host Robyn Burns. 

 

"We're here to get the answers that survivors and those that didn't make it home need and deserve."


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#843 Victoria Watcher

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Posted 25 September 2022 - 04:27 AM

About the film:
 
 
In May 2021, the Tk'emlúps te Secwépemc First Nation band in Kamloops, British Columbia, put out a press release that shocked the nation.
 
The claim was that the remains of 215 children who were students at the Kamloops Indian Residential School had been discovered through the use of ground-penetrating radar.
 
On one hand, the claim served as a reminder of a dark chapter in Canada’s history. Under the residential school system, indigenous children were snatched from their homes and forced to live in government-mandated, church-run institutions where some suffered from poor living conditions and even physical and sexual abuse.
 
On the other hand, it became the catalyst for divisive outrage, and a national identity of shame that likely led to much of the vandalism and burning of over 60 Christian places of worship across the country last summer.
 
But what if we were to show you that much of the rage and shame that was given life from that 215 buried children claim wasn’t rooted in the whole truth? And that even now, over a year later, not a single body has been found in the apple orchard where many Canadians still believe children’s remains lie?
 
In our new documentary, Rebel News reporters Drea Humphrey and Matt Brevner take you on an investigative journey to discover the truth about a story that misled a nation — the truth about what lies beneath the soil at the former Kamloops Indian Residential School.
 
This documentary is available online for RebelNews+ subscribers. To learn more or to watch online now: please visit http://www.KamloopsDocumentary.com
 
 
 
 

Edited by Victoria Watcher, 25 September 2022 - 04:28 AM.

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Posted 25 September 2022 - 10:13 AM

No surprise. The media still promotes sites that have been discounted years ago as not having human remains.


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Posted 18 October 2022 - 02:34 AM

I guess no digging is taking place this year.

#846 Victoria Watcher

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Posted 23 October 2022 - 05:38 AM

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Posted 05 November 2022 - 07:58 PM

A hoax perpetrated at Kamloops

 

 

https://www.bitchute...o/gKmCh2v8a1tz/


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Posted 05 November 2022 - 08:30 PM

He got the HOAX part right but the bits trying to frame the residential schools as fantastic is a stretch. Shoot public schools now are horrendous indoctrination camps so I can’t see ones set up then to “teach the Indian out of the Indian” as being fantastic.
Trudeau and his Ilk are just weaponizing this to sew division amongst us.
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#849 Victoria Watcher

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Posted 05 November 2022 - 09:56 PM

A hoax perpetrated at Kamloops

 

 

https://www.bitchute...o/gKmCh2v8a1tz/

 

Yes, cannot argue with much here.

 

If they do not dig up bodies in 2023 this whole thing is going to go off.  The speaker (Jared Taylor) here does not blame the indigenous for this whole fiasco, he blames us.  Or at least a willing media and officialdom.


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#850 amor de cosmos

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Posted 05 November 2022 - 10:18 PM

hmm

 

Founded by Jared Taylor in 1990, the New Century Foundation is a self-styled think tank that promotes pseudo-scientific studies and research that purport to show the inferiority of blacks to whites — although in hifalutin language that avoids open racial slurs and attempts to portray itself as serious scholarship. It is best known for its American Renaissance magazine and website, which regularly feature proponents of eugenics and blatant anti-black racists. The foundation also sponsors American Renaissance conferences every other year where racist "intellectuals" rub shoulders with Klansmen, neo-Nazis and other white supremacists.

https://www.splcente...can-renaissance


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#851 Victoria Watcher

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Posted 05 November 2022 - 10:24 PM

^ You have confidence in the "Southern Poverty Law Centre"?   :teacher:



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Posted 06 November 2022 - 08:31 AM

Discussion is more productive when we can debate the issues themselves, rather than relying on a biased assessment calling out someone else's biased assessment...

 

The imperative to "consider the source" has been effectively hijacked by the Cancel Culture crowd. You have to think for yourself now, and debate the issues on their own merits now, because the last 2 years have proven that a lot of "misinformation" and "problematic ideas" were actually the truth, and the "fact checkers" were merely spinning things to match the desired narrative.

 

This thread is an interesting read if you go back to the beginning. VV must be one of few places where folks saw this hoax as a hoax from the very beginning. Interesting.


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Posted 06 November 2022 - 08:37 AM

^ I watched the entire video, as a hundred thousand others have.

I don’t care what SPLC says about the man in the video. I had never heard of him until yesterday.

But what he says in the video makes sense.

I’m not yet convinced there are no bodies.

I am at a loss to understand what the hold up to excavate.

Edited by Victoria Watcher, 06 November 2022 - 08:38 AM.

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#854 Mike K.

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Posted 06 November 2022 - 08:37 AM

It’s not a hoax, we know many children died at these schools, and never came home. We don’t know where they were buried, but we know they died, and were buried.

These efforts are as much symbolic as they are scientific. If the identified sites do not produce remains, and it’s looking more like some of them may not, it still doesn’t change the fact that children were taken from mothers against their will, and died at the schools, their remains buried somewhere.
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Posted 06 November 2022 - 08:40 AM

^ I watched the entire video, as a hundred thousand others have.

I don’t care what SPLC says about the man in the video. I had never heard of him until yesterday.

But what he says in the video makes sense.

I’m not yet convinced there are no bodies.

I am at a loss to understand what the hold up to excavate.

but it's also vaguely racist-sounding, and agreeing with it publicly might make you an object of ridicule among peers, so folx better google him to see if an authoritative source says we should write him off on some basis. That's easier than refuting his claims on their own merits.



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Posted 06 November 2022 - 08:42 AM

It’s not a hoax, we know many children died at these schools, and never came home. We don’t know where they were buried, but we know they died, and were buried.

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But how extensive is it? We do know that almost no families have made claims of named missing family members. Which seems odd, no?

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Posted 06 November 2022 - 08:43 AM

These efforts are as much symbolic as they are scientific. If the identified sites do not produce remains, and it’s looking more like some of them may not, it still doesn’t change the fact that children were taken from mothers against their will, and died at the schools, their remains buried somewhere.


But as stated in the video, the chief in Kamloops welcomed the school. And some students cherished the experience. That’s awkward to say now though.

#858 Mike K.

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Posted 06 November 2022 - 08:46 AM

What do we really know?

I’d say very little, other than the fact kids died at these schools, and their remains were never sent back to the communities from where they came (as a general rule).

Who knows what grieving mothers did? We don’t know. Maybe they filed paperwork, maybe they didn’t. But whatever they may have done has been lost to history, as have the burial sites.

#215 maybe should have been handled better, and instead of the media acting as though the findings were conclusive should have helped along by reminding the public this is also a symbolic announcement. Instead the focus became genocide+bodies+many unmarked grave sites and then the whole thing went upside down. Now you have people calling it a hoax.

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Posted 06 November 2022 - 08:48 AM

I’ve never ever called it a hoax.

But I’ve pointed out lots of issues.

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Posted 06 November 2022 - 08:49 AM

But as stated in the video, the chief in Kamloops welcomed the school. And some students cherished the experience. That’s awkward to say now though.


Yes, all of that is true. Some kids may have welcomed the move.

But this was all mishandled. It became a conversation about genocide because some forces pushed it that way, and the obliging media went along with it. Now we have a credibility situation.

But the fact remains, so many children died, and their remains are unaccounted for in the records.

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