Jump to content

      



























Photo

Missing Middle Housing Initiative (MMHI) in the City of Victoria


  • Please log in to reply
3521 replies to this topic

#421 lanforod

lanforod
  • Member
  • 11,345 posts
  • LocationSaanich

Posted 28 June 2022 - 10:15 AM

Yup. the arguments i read there are extremely shallow.



#422 Victoria Watcher

Victoria Watcher

    Old White Man On A Canadian Island

  • Member
  • 53,012 posts

Posted 28 June 2022 - 10:26 AM

MicCHEK: What do you say to the person who owns their home and fears there will be a massive apartment on their block if this goes through?

 

For starters there are height limits in the missing middle housing initiative. It’s a maximum of three storeys on corner lots and two-and-a-half-storeys on interior lots. This question brings up a philosophical question though: Why should past housing forms dictate and guide future housing forms?**1 If the volume metric form of the building is in line with what’s already there, why do we care about how many homes are in it?”**2

 

 

**1 - Past housing form should guide future housing forms because we paid a premium to buy in a neighbourhood zoned for a particular density.  We do not expect that to change rapidly, or by blanket decree.  Neither do the folks in South Oak Bay, Uplands, Broadmead, Dean Park.  Etc. 

 

**2 - Partly we care about how many homes are in it is because of parking and general neighbourhood cohesion.


Edited by Victoria Watcher, 28 June 2022 - 10:28 AM.


#423 Victoria Watcher

Victoria Watcher

    Old White Man On A Canadian Island

  • Member
  • 53,012 posts

Posted 30 June 2022 - 02:56 AM

But the key issue is zoning. It is by this power that municipalities protect neighbourhood characteristics of importance to the residents.

There’s a reason why we entrust this task to municipal councillors. Only they are close enough to keep in touch with local sentiment. Only they have an immediate enough relationship with the communities they represent to speak knowledgeably on their behalf.

This is one of the main reasons why we have local governments.

Eby’s frustration with slow moving action on the housing front is understandable. There is indeed NIMBYism at work.

Yet as a minister with province-wide responsibilities, his inevitable distance from the local scene renders him very nearly the last person who should be dictating community zoning.


https://www.timescol...housing-5534126

Edited by Victoria Watcher, 30 June 2022 - 02:57 AM.

  • Barrrister likes this

#424 Nparker

Nparker
  • Member
  • 40,738 posts

Posted 30 June 2022 - 11:10 AM

Stephen Andrew has posted the following on Facebook.

SA missing midle.jpg

 

https://www.victoria..._vg1d9OQgOnItkY



#425 Victoria Watcher

Victoria Watcher

    Old White Man On A Canadian Island

  • Member
  • 53,012 posts

Posted 30 June 2022 - 11:11 AM

Can you post us up the mailer anyone that gets one?

NParker, search through your junk mail garbage bin in the lobby?

I’m curious to see how detailed it is.

Edited by Victoria Watcher, 30 June 2022 - 11:13 AM.


#426 Nparker

Nparker
  • Member
  • 40,738 posts

Posted 30 June 2022 - 11:17 AM

I'll check a bit later today and see if we have received the MM mailer.


  • Victoria Watcher likes this

#427 Nparker

Nparker
  • Member
  • 40,738 posts

Posted 30 June 2022 - 11:51 AM

Here is the mailer

20220630_124124.jpg

20220630_124134.jpg



#428 Victoria Watcher

Victoria Watcher

    Old White Man On A Canadian Island

  • Member
  • 53,012 posts

Posted 30 June 2022 - 11:54 AM

That seems fair. That’s it, single-sided?

#429 Mike K.

Mike K.
  • Administrator
  • 83,550 posts

Posted 30 June 2022 - 11:58 AM

Anyone notice how massive the windows are on the one-storey single-family-home compared to every other style of housing?

…or is the scale of the SFH just exceptionally magnified compared to the three-storey apartment block?

Cute touch with all the chimneys, too.
  • Nparker likes this

Know it all.
Citified.ca is Victoria's most comprehensive research resource for new-build homes and commercial spaces.


#430 Nparker

Nparker
  • Member
  • 40,738 posts

Posted 30 June 2022 - 12:00 PM

That seems fair. That’s it, single-sided?

The above is the front and back side of the card.


  • Victoria Watcher likes this

#431 Victoria Watcher

Victoria Watcher

    Old White Man On A Canadian Island

  • Member
  • 53,012 posts

Posted 30 June 2022 - 12:02 PM

Anyone notice how massive the windows are on the one-storey single-family-home compared to every other style of housing?

…or is the scale of the SFH just exceptionally magnified compared to the three-storey apartment block?

Cute touch with all the chimneys, too.


Conspiracy?

#432 Nparker

Nparker
  • Member
  • 40,738 posts

Posted 30 June 2022 - 12:03 PM

…is the scale of the SFH just exceptionally magnified compared to the three-storey apartment block?...

Everyone knows that SFH's are 2/3 the height of your standard high-rise condo building.



#433 Mike K.

Mike K.
  • Administrator
  • 83,550 posts

Posted 30 June 2022 - 01:22 PM

It’s crazy, right? The SFD is clearly hyper-sized. The SFD is a crazy mansion, to-scale.

Know it all.
Citified.ca is Victoria's most comprehensive research resource for new-build homes and commercial spaces.


#434 Victoria Watcher

Victoria Watcher

    Old White Man On A Canadian Island

  • Member
  • 53,012 posts

Posted 30 June 2022 - 01:33 PM

It does appear wider than many other types to its right,

#435 Nparker

Nparker
  • Member
  • 40,738 posts

Posted 30 June 2022 - 01:45 PM

There's little doubt about the subliminal message those housing illustrations are meant to portray. Rather clever on the part of the CoV.


  • Barrrister likes this

#436 aastra

aastra
  • Member
  • 20,753 posts

Posted 30 June 2022 - 03:13 PM

Big deal, so the people who live in the house are extremely tall, hence the much taller doors and windows compared to the other buildings. Last time I checked I'm pretty sure 16-foot ceilings were standard equipment in the luxuriously opulent SFDs that you see everywhere in the CoV's neighbourhoods. Next you'll be complaining because the front stairs are basically the same on all the buildings. (which is obviously because the very tall & very selfish SFD homeowners also happen to have normal-length legs and normal-size feet)



#437 aastra

aastra
  • Member
  • 20,753 posts

Posted 30 June 2022 - 03:19 PM

Seriously though, how many residential buildings are there in Victoria that bear any resemblance to the one second from right? Is that supposed to be a hundred-year-old apartment block? Or maybe a commercial-to-residential conversion? Meanwhile, there's no trace of the long lowrise apartment blocks that actually do prevail in Victoria's residential scene, to the tune of hundreds of examples. If this graphic were accurate there would be one 4-story building stretching from the house on the left all the way to the tower on the right.


  • Victoria Watcher likes this

#438 aastra

aastra
  • Member
  • 20,753 posts

Posted 30 June 2022 - 03:20 PM

In other words, in this depiction the actual middle is most definitely missing.


  • Nparker, Barrrister and Victoria Watcher like this

#439 Victoria Watcher

Victoria Watcher

    Old White Man On A Canadian Island

  • Member
  • 53,012 posts

Posted 01 July 2022 - 03:11 PM

 

7200 sq. ft. lot.

 

 

 

 

Location, location, location! This property is in the heart of Fairfield close to all amenities, downtown Victoria, parks, ocean great walkability to Bechin Hill park or downtown. This is a sought after area and 0% vacancy rate. There are 3 studio's suite's, 2x 1 Bedroom suites, a 2 bedroom suite and an owner occupied 3 bedroom suite with in-suite laundry, zoned R3 multifamily dwelling. With room to grow revenue potential this is a great investment property. This is a well maintained building has updated separate electrical panels for each unit, new roof, updated plumbing. This is a great addition to your investment portfolio or occupy the main 3 bedroom suite and rent out the rest!

 

$2,250,000

 

 

1024 Pakington Ave

 

https://www.realtor....-fairfield-west

 

 

906435_1.jpg


Edited by Victoria Watcher, 01 July 2022 - 03:15 PM.


#440 dasmo

dasmo

    Grand Master ✔

  • Member
  • 15,488 posts

Posted 01 July 2022 - 03:46 PM

Conspiracy?

Marketing. 



You're not quite at the end of this discussion topic!

Use the page links at the lower-left to go to the next page to read additional posts.
 



0 user(s) are reading this topic

0 members, 0 guests, 0 anonymous users