Why don't we go straight to the council flats and stop dicking around with all this nonsense.
Missing Middle Housing Initiative (MMHI) in the City of Victoria
#61
Posted 29 January 2022 - 08:03 PM
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#62
Posted 29 January 2022 - 08:31 PM
Why don't we go straight to the council flats and stop dicking around with all this nonsense.
I think that's the plan for Hudson Place 2.
#63
Posted 06 May 2022 - 04:34 AM
Housing debate delayed so public can review 2,000 pages of detail
The report also suggests missing-middle housing design guidelines and the streamlined approval process would apply in all traditional residential areas in Victoria. The guidelines would require a certain amount of parking. Where that couldn’t be achieved due to the size or layout of the lot, developers would be expected to provide transportation substitutions such as car-share co-op memberships and transit passes.
Comment: Victoria's 'missing middle' plan won't bring affordable houses
Victoria’s 2012 Official Community Plan was years in the making and was informed by more than 6,000 residents. The online engagement leading to the missing middle report had only 800 participants.
By and large, people living in Victoria’s residential districts are unaware of the implications of this proposal: The diminution to their quality of life and the unpredictable disruptions that will become commonplace in their neighbourhoods.
Changing the OCP so radically should be informed by wide consultation throughout the communities.
Edited by Victoria Watcher, 06 May 2022 - 04:37 AM.
#64
Posted 06 May 2022 - 05:44 AM
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#65
Posted 06 May 2022 - 05:55 AM
Does the report have glowing examples of where this has been done elsewhere and it had the desired affect? With or without and negative consequences?
Or are they just winging it, both staff and politicians here?
Why not wait two years and see what happen here in New Zealand?
https://www.timescol...-cities-4695930
New Zealand’s government has ordered an end to single-family zoning in its five biggest cities, drawing the attention of B.C. housing advocates and planning experts.
Housing advocates think it is an example worth considering in B.C.’s most expensive markets, but others caution it might have unintended consequences.
Legislation introduced last week would require the New Zealand cities to apply “medium density residential standards” to single-family areas by next August (2022). The new rules will allow property owners to build up to three housing units, to a height of three storeys, covering 50 per cent of what were typically single-family lots in cities including Auckland, Wellington and Christchurch.
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While the New Zealand move “does make single-family homes more expensive,” Davidoff said, it would have “a significant effect on prices” by increasing the availability of other housing types, such as multi-unit buildings.
The change is recognition that “New Zealand’s housing shortage is being made worse in our biggest cities by limits on the number and types of houses that can be built,” said the country’s housing minister, Megan Woods.
Edited by Victoria Watcher, 06 May 2022 - 05:58 AM.
#66
Posted 06 May 2022 - 06:07 AM
I don’t know who can afford a nearly million dollar townhome, but it’s not an average family already locked out of the market.
On the flip side, what would help affordability is if we built a 50,000-unit subdivision west of Sooke. Or on the Malahat. But why not split the density between both? Nothing short of that will improve housing affordability. At best now we’re just slowing the rapid price increases.
Of course we could also do the same in Metchosin, but I don’t think that’s politically possible. That really only leaves us with the suburban subdivision as an option, because despite building 6,000-units of condos and apartments just in the CoV since 2016, we appear to be no further ahead. So if condos and apartments could make life more affordable, building townhomes in place of a few houses won’t achieve it either.
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#67
Posted 06 May 2022 - 06:11 AM
As I have stated before, a six-plex of 2/3 bedroom units in Fairfield with 0.15 parking stalls per unit might not sell/rent as well as one would hope. Therefore, they won't be built that way. If you own a car (almost all households where they own the property do own at least one car) one might have parking spot anxiety.
Edited by Victoria Watcher, 06 May 2022 - 06:30 AM.
#68
Posted 06 May 2022 - 06:12 AM
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#69
Posted 06 May 2022 - 06:14 AM
I’d say 90% of people with a car, would buy a six plex unit without a parking stall, if street parking is permitted on the block.
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#70
Posted 06 May 2022 - 06:33 AM
Ismo has some insight into this. He says a lot of people buy condos without parking then expect the city to provide it to them, or give them preferential treatment.
I’d say 90% of people with a car, would buy a six plex unit without a parking stall, if street parking is permitted on the block.
True but the streets are already full, where would the additional 5 cars for every property go?!
#71
Posted 06 May 2022 - 06:35 AM
I’d say 90% of people with a car, would buy a six plex unit without a parking stall, if street parking is permitted on the block.
I don't think so. Not unless is was deeply discounted compared to the same unit with a parking stall. Of course it might depend on the area too. In bigger cities, the streets are not only full, but everyone that parks overnight on the street must pay a monthly fee. See if the good folks of Fairfield want that.
Edited by Victoria Watcher, 06 May 2022 - 06:37 AM.
#72
Posted 06 May 2022 - 06:36 AM
There are some properties that abuse on-street parking, leading to problems. Now the City is blessing this form of abuse, by having no qualms over adding vehicles to the street.
My only take-away is this is moving the CoV towards a payment regime for residential streets.
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#73
Posted 06 May 2022 - 06:38 AM
I don't think so. Not unless is was deeply discounted compared to the same unit with a parking stall. Of course it might depend on the area too.
It’s already a big thing among condos. You can only afford a studio, or a JR 1, and there’s no allocated parking within the project for units of that size. 9/10 a person in that scenario with a car will still buy that condo and worry about the parking later.
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#74
Posted 06 May 2022 - 06:38 AM
Not their perceived problem at the time.
There are some properties that abuse on-street parking, leading to problems. Now the City is blessing this form of abuse, by having no qualms over adding vehicles to the street.
My only take-away is this is moving the CoV towards a payment regime for residential streets.
I'd actually suggest that almost everyone that parks on the street overnight now, has more than one car per unit. Which is very typical for units of 2 or 2+ bedrooms. So your new six-plex might deliver 10-12 new cars to the block.
Edited by Victoria Watcher, 06 May 2022 - 06:39 AM.
#75
Posted 06 May 2022 - 06:39 AM
As I have stated before, a six-plex of 2/3 bedroom units in Fairfield with 0.15 parking stalls per unit might not sell/rent as well as one would hope. Therefore, they won't be built that way. If you own a car (almost all households where they own the property do own at least one car) one might have parking spot anxiety.
Lets not forget it is entirely different living in James Bay or Fairfield where you can walk into downtown vs Cedar Hill.
If you look at the staff report you will be remined of the comments several of us made at the time when the survey was introduced. Do you want green space or parking? Surprise, surprise, 80% of people want green space if it is a binary choice and so staff report that 80% of people support their plans!
I love how staff support their contention that upzoning property has no impact on valuation (should save this for when they pay out a developer for downing their land). Apparently upzoning will create so much new "land" in Victoria that prices overall will come down!
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#76
Posted 06 May 2022 - 06:40 AM
If you have one spot, but use three on the street, that’s when problems start.
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#77
Posted 06 May 2022 - 06:41 AM
It’s already a big thing among condos. You can only afford a studio, or a JR 1, and there’s no allocated parking within the project for units of that size. 9/10 a person in that scenario with a car will still buy that condo and worry about the parking later.
It depends on the area. I bet new buyers at the Metropolitan (View and Blanshard) rarely buy if there is no parking spot for their car. Long walk from there to "free" street parking.
Edited by Victoria Watcher, 06 May 2022 - 06:41 AM.
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#78
Posted 06 May 2022 - 06:41 AM
Not their perceived problem at the time.
There are some properties that abuse on-street parking, leading to problems. Now the City is blessing this form of abuse, by having no qualms over adding vehicles to the street.
My only take-away is this is moving the CoV towards a payment regime for residential streets.
All anyone needs to do is look at streets in the Tillicum area where there are lots of secondary suites. Not only is every driveway full but so is every street. Now remove the driveways and add 4 more units per property and see what you get.
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#79
Posted 06 May 2022 - 06:45 AM
Like I was saying earlier, Kelowna requires 1:1 parking for these multi-plexes in order to not antagonize existing residents. Victoria is all about the antagonism and has been since 2014.
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Posted 06 May 2022 - 06:46 AM
There are always tenants looking for parking there because their unit didn’t come with a stall.It depends on the area. I bet new buyers at the Metropolitan (View and Blanshard) rarely buy if there is no parking spot for their car. Long walk from there to "free" street parking.
For most people who drive to work it works out. You leave by nine, return when parking is free or just pay $2 until it is.
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