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#1861 Nparker

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Posted 28 January 2023 - 07:31 AM

"...With housing affordability in a continuing crisis, Missing Middle became a central part of the election campaign..."

Even though MMH will do practically nothing to address the issue of affordability. We are governed by idiots elected by morons.

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Posted 28 January 2023 - 08:27 AM

Councillor Dell via Twitter:

The City of Victoria will allow townhomes, duplexes and 6-units on every lot in the city. This is a game changer for housing diversity, affordability, climate and vibrant communities!


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Posted 28 January 2023 - 09:22 AM

How will this benefit the climate exactly?
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#1864 Mike K.

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Posted 28 January 2023 - 09:23 AM

Hard to say.

More trees have to come down on the West Shore to help build these structures, though. Is there a CO2 capture off-set Victorians can pay?

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#1865 Victoria Watcher

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Posted 28 January 2023 - 09:30 AM

How will this benefit the climate exactly?

 

The presumption is people will live closer to work or other places they currently travel greater distances to.


Edited by Victoria Watcher, 28 January 2023 - 09:30 AM.


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Posted 28 January 2023 - 09:32 AM

How will this benefit the climate exactly?

Everyone currently living in and commuting from Sooke each day will now move into a 500 square foot unit in Fairfield, (which will only cost them twice as much as their rural acreage). Since no parking will be available, they will be forced to give up their car, thus saving the planet from a cataclysmic demise in the next 6 months. 

Meanwhile the population of India will increase by 100 million in the next 7 years.


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Posted 28 January 2023 - 09:34 AM

The presumption is people will live closer to work or other places they currently travel greater distances to.

How does this account for the thousands of people in the region of currently work from home?



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Posted 28 January 2023 - 09:47 AM

The presumption is people will live closer to work or other places they currently travel greater distances to.

I understand the theory. This is why I used live in the city. This can help preserve natural and rural landscapes by corralling the population into smaller spaces. Making a statement of fact that this will control the weather is preposterous.

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Posted 28 January 2023 - 09:49 AM

How will this benefit the climate exactly?

 

Won't more people generate more CO2? Seems to me like less people is the best way to reduce emissions. 

 

I note that the CoV climate report update will be presented next week at the COTW meeting. Any bets that despite a rapidly growing population we will be told that we are reducing CO2 emissions according to plan?


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#1870 Nparker

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Posted 28 January 2023 - 09:52 AM

Won't more people generate more CO2? Seems to me like less people is the best way to reduce emissions...

Tell that to India and China.



#1871 Victoria Watcher

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Posted 28 January 2023 - 09:54 AM

Tell that to India and China.

 

China is currently less of a worry, about expanding population.  The expansion is happening in Africa.  Which also happens to be the continent with the greatest outflow of migrants and refugees.

 

 

 

 

From 2005 to 2010 almost 9 million people moved to Europe. Elsewhere, 3.5 million moved out of Africa. In Asia, 618,000 left Bangladesh for India, 489,000 went from Indonesia to Malaysia, and 258,000 people left Kazakhstan for Russia. In the United States, more than 1.8 million arrived from Mexico. 

 

https://www.outlooki...e-exodus/294595


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Posted 28 January 2023 - 10:04 AM

As long as the population somewhere on the earth continues to grow unabatedly, then my use of a metal straw (et al) is moot.


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Posted 28 January 2023 - 10:27 AM

Bringing more people from Africa to the highest areas of greenhouse gas producing living is good for the climate as long as they are restricted in their movements and personal freedom.
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Posted 28 January 2023 - 10:39 AM

I suppose this is the best way for us to live… for the climate… https://twitter.com/...PFhvIbV9zS-am-g

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Posted 28 January 2023 - 10:44 AM

Has anyone picked apart, say, a south Fairfield lot, and see what we can fit on it under these new rules?

 

Or should I?


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Posted 28 January 2023 - 12:46 PM

1711 Haultain - Jan 28 - $790,000

1315 Minto - Jan 26 - $1,649,850

474 St. Charles - $1,575,000

1772 Carrick - $1,589,000

1121 Caledonia - $799,000

548 Niagara - $1,175,000

25 Cook - $1,150,000

1520 Pembroke - $1,750,000

3156 Carroll - Jan 17 -$1,000,000

2906 Quadra - Jan 15 - $949,000

1750/52 Carrick duplex - Jan 11 - $1,099,000

3192 Fifth - LOT - Jan 11 - $549,900

690 Dallas - Jan 10 - $2,450,000

326 Irving - $1,199,000

1320 Pandora - Jan 10 - $1,100,000

612 Belton - $1,149,000

2723 Avebury - $1,099,000

1487 Myrtle - Jan 9 - $1,475,000

3170 Alder - $869,900

603 Su'it TRIPLEX - $1,850,000

1120 Faithful - $2,499,900

316 Arnold - $1,495,000

1340 Bay - $875,000 - "expired" January 27, after 16 days on the market

1407 Chambers - Jan 5 - $1,589,000


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#1877 Victoria Watcher

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Posted 28 January 2023 - 03:12 PM

Will Victoria's new 'missing middle' housing policy help renters?

https://www.cbc.ca/n...ategy-1.6729374

 

 

 

Proponents say it could help increase affordable housing; critics say it will not help renters

 

 

 

Now, a council headed by current Mayor Marianne Alto voted 6-3 to pass the initiative on Thursday.

 

Effective March 12, the initiative would replace single-family zoning and allow the construction of six-unit homes on mid-block lots and up to 12-unit townhomes on some corner lots without rezoning.


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#1878 Victoria Watcher

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Posted 28 January 2023 - 03:39 PM

Has anyone picked apart, say, a south Fairfield lot, and see what we can fit on it under these new rules?

 

Or should I?

 

 

OK, I'll do 1315 Minto, currently for sale for $1,649.850.  An oddly specific number.

 

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The lot appears to be about 15.1m wide.  And 36.7m deep.  The City map says it's 555.65 sq. m.   So that all make sense.

 

For a 6-plex, the FSR is allowed to be 1:1.

 

So let's start converting this all to imperial measurements.

 

The lot is about 5,979 sq. ft.  Let's call it 6,000.

 

So the maximum floor space for the 6-plex can be 6,000 sq. ft.  But this will fall as we figure out how many floors we can have here and deal with setbacks.

 

15.1m wide.  And 36.7m deep.  =  49.5 feet wide.  120.4 feet deep.

 

So I'm guessing this is actually a 50x120 lot, that sounds right.

 

So let me plunk down a building footprint, nothing is to scale here (except the lot property lines).

 

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Edited by Victoria Watcher, 28 January 2023 - 03:48 PM.


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Posted 28 January 2023 - 03:55 PM

OK, setbacks:

 

6.1m front or 20 feet.

The greater of 10m or 25% of let depth for the rear.   So here it will be 10m or 32.8 feet.

Side setbacks are greater of 1.5m or 10%.  So here they will be about 1.5m give or take = 4.9 feet.

 

So here are the setbacks:

 

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#1880 Victoria Watcher

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Posted 28 January 2023 - 03:58 PM

So we started with a 120 foot deep lot.

 

Less 52.8 feet for front and back setback.

 

So we get 67.2 feet deep building.

 

 

 

And we had a 50 foot wide lot less 4.9 feet on each side = 40.2 feet wide building.

 

 

 

 

Everybody following?

 

 

 

 

So the maximum footprint and maximum gross sq. foot of each floor is 40.2*67.2 = 2701 per floor


Edited by Victoria Watcher, 28 January 2023 - 04:00 PM.


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