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[Jackerbie]

Is this the first we've (or "they've") heard of this issue, or has it been a known issue all along, just not reported on or detailed?

 

Seems crazy that this new plant will still dump raw sewage into the ocean, despite the many millions of $$$$ being spent ... and that the public is just hearing about it now.

 

Wet weather overflow was considered as early as 2009, in the CRD conceptual planning report. Possibly earlier but I don't want to dig through old reports 

 

The overflow is due to all of the supporting infrastructure, and according to the TC story reducing the overflow will require upgrades to the pipe system. Apparently in Oak Bay and Victoria, storm water and sanitary sewer often run in a combined system.

[LJ]

. Apparently in Oak Bay and Victoria, storm water and sanitary sewer often run in a combined system.

That's not a problem, that's a feature, we like to call it pre-dilution.

Edited by LJ, 14 May 2018 - 07:41 PM.

[rambaldi]

"In 2008, the City of Langford amended its sewage bylaw, making it mandatory for residents to connect to a new or existing sewer. The bylaw especially targetted homes in environmentally sensitive areas, and made the connection mandatory by the end of 2019."

https://www.goldstre...ty-sewage-bill/

 

Letter: Contractors will add to rising price of sewage

https://www.goldstre...rice-of-sewage/

[Bob Fugger]

This thread has been quiet for awhile.  I wonder if we will have the same problems that Lunenburg, NS seems to be suffering re: the not-so-floral bouquet of the treatment plant?  Or does the fact that our outfalls are way out into the strait mitigate?  The sludge shouldn't be an issue - in town, anyway - as we're pumping it uphill to Hartland

 

https://nationalpost...ia-tourist-town

[Nparker]

...The sludge shouldn't be an issue - in town, anyway - as we're pumping it uphill to Hartland...

Pump it to #1 Centennial Square and we won't notice the additional stink at all.

[JohnN]

This thread has been quiet for awhile.  I wonder if we will have the same problems that Lunenburg, NS seems to be suffering re: the not-so-floral bouquet of the treatment plant?  Or does the fact that our outfalls are way out into the strait mitigate?  The sludge shouldn't be an issue - in town, anyway - as we're pumping it uphill to Hartland

 

https://nationalpost...ia-tourist-town

The way McLoughlin will work, odour levels will be monitored at the edges of the plant property and the proponents promise that the odour levels should be acceptably low, below some sort of smell-threshold line.

 

When the Sidney sewage plant at Bazan Bay started up in the early 2000s, there were a lot of odour complaints so more money was spent on more carbon air filters which seemed to take care of the problem.

 

Lunenburg seems to be a more complex odour/contamination problem mostly because treated sewage is being discharged into a small bay (see map image) but also raw sewage from a residential development is dumped there too. Seeing that there is also a fish plant on the map might also signal some contamination problems. 

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[spanky123]

^ The is the beauty of an unelected CRD. If there are odour problems after the plant is up and running then who are you going to hold accountable? You think that anyone is going to be willing to pony up more money to solve that problem?

[Sparky]

Even when you look back at the years of dysfunction that has surrounded this project, it's not the money that worries me....it's the lack of oversight.

I don't think there is another city on the planet that pumps their sewage sludge in a pipeline 18 kilometres away from their treatment plant in order to avoid a political backlash.

They have been at this for decades. I would like to think positive....but holy moly....it would appear that these guys couldn't organize a coffe break on a one man raft.

[JohnN]

CHEK TV news post: David Anderson, a former MP and MLA, Carey Newman, an indigenous artist and Tracey Herbert a leader in First Nations language preservation and revitalization have all been awarded the Order of B.C, along with 11 others.

 

Even before Anderson's participation with ARESST, David has been a great support for challenging the building a sewage treatment plant with its problem of sewage sludge disposal, costs, etc. 

 

Couple of David's extended commentary in media

 

- The case for sewage treatment not made: http://www.rstv.ca/david-anderson/

- It’s time to exit the sewage-treatment swamp: https://www.timescol...swamp-1.2198500

 

And David debating with Mr. Floatie: 

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[satellite]

https://www.timescol...o-15-1.23422956

Up to 15% property tax increases... I'm unclear, is this total property tax, or just the CRD portion of property tax being increased up to 15%?

[North Shore]

https://www.timescol...o-15-1.23422956

Up to 15% property tax increases... I'm unclear, is this total property tax, or just the CRD portion of property tax being increased up to 15%?

 

From the TC:

 

 

Homeowners in Colwood, Esquimalt, Langford and View Royal — municipalities funding their share of the $765-million core area sewage treatment program through property taxes — will see property tax increases of 12.35 per cent, 15.23 per cent, 12.32 per cent and 10.38 per cent respectively.

 

 

In Saanich, Victoria and Oak Bay, where sewage treatment is funded through utility charges, tax increases for CRD services are 3.86 per cent, 3.61 per cent and 1.32 per cent respectively

 

 

It would seem that your tax increase depends on where you live?  CRD portion only, in S, V, & OB; gross taxes in all of the rest.

Gonna be some really unhappy campers come tax time...

[Nparker]

...Gonna be some really unhappy campers come tax time...

People are really going to be unhappy in a decade or so when they discover their billion dollar investment has had no significant benefit to the quality of the water in the Strait of Juan de Fuca.

[satellite]

A gross tax increases of 15% is unbelievable

[JohnN]

A gross tax increases of 15% is unbelievable

Probably the utility fee increases in Saanich, Victoria and Oak Bay amount to the same as the property tax increases in Colwood, Esquimalt, Langford and View Royal. Why not utility fees geared to the amount of sewage flushed? Obviously expensive to stick sewage flow meters on every house so the proxy indicator was to be winter-time fresh water flow into buildings - which is metered. Politically, the idea of a sewage demand management device like a water meter is unpalatable - penalizes large families and those with older 22 litre toilets.

[On the Level]

Probably the utility fee increases in Saanich, Victoria and Oak Bay amount to the same as the property tax increases in Colwood, Esquimalt, Langford and View Royal. Why not utility fees geared to the amount of sewage flushed? Obviously expensive to stick sewage flow meters on every house so the proxy indicator was to be winter-time fresh water flow into buildings - which is metered. Politically, the idea of a sewage demand management device like a water meter is unpalatable - penalizes large families and those with older 22 litre toilets.

 

The westshore is already paying for sewage based on consumption to Corix.  I'm guessing it's a percentage of the household's CRD water bill.  This is going to be added as a separate stream to property taxes?  

[JohnN]

The westshore is already paying for sewage based on consumption to Corix.  I'm guessing it's a percentage of the household's CRD water bill.  This is going to be added as a separate stream to property taxes?  

I think what Corix does in Langford is just collect the sewage to send currently to Macaulay Point pump station and when McLoughlin plant ready, to there. https://www.corix.co...mental-services

[Victoria Watcher]

cov does charge by water in

 

https://www.victoria...sewer-rate.html

 

saanich too

 

http://www.saanich.c...alculation.html

Edited by Victoria Watcher, 07 September 2018 - 04:36 AM.

[JohnN]

cov does charge by water in

 

https://www.victoria...sewer-rate.html

 

saanich too

 

http://www.saanich.c...alculation.html

Thanks - I've been out of touch with developments on this for more than a year now so I should have expected the politicians to be initiating some sort of billing program that goes beyond flat-fee. Could be that other municipalities use the same system but just tack the resulting charge onto property tax vs utility fee. 

[Mystic-Pizza]

The Capital Regional District (CRD) has awarded a $29-million contract to Victoria-based Don Mann Excavating Ltd. to construct the Residual Solids Conveyance Line (RSCL).

 

This is the line that will transport all of Victoria's raw sewage out to the Hartland Dump to be converted into Class "A" Biosolids.

 

http://www.iheartrad...oject-1.8549212

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited by Mystic-Pizza, 08 November 2018 - 09:25 AM.

[JohnN]

The Capital Regional District (CRD) has awarded a $29-million contract to Victoria-based Don Mann Excavating Ltd. to construct the Residual Solids Conveyance Line (RSCL).

 

This is the line that will transport all of Victoria's raw sewage out to the Hartland Dump to be converted into Class "A" Biosolids.

 

http://www.iheartrad...oject-1.8549212

 

 

OU sewage diagram.jpg

The pipe and pumps won't be sending raw sewage but rather sewage sludge (ie, "residuals") up to Hartland. CFAX now says "sewage residuals" so maybe they corrected earlier version.