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[rmpeers]

If you want to laugh, check out the banner graphic that sits atop the Twitter page of Against Displacement, the "activist" organization behind the Victoria tent city and others. It gives insight, I think, into why homelessness in these parts is not likely to be solved in the near future, because groups like this have too much influence...

[Victoria Watcher]

If you want to laugh, check out the banner graphic that sits atop the Twitter page of Against Displacement, the "activist" organization behind the Victoria tent city and others. It gives insight, I think, into why homelessness in these parts is not likely to be solved in the near future, because groups like this have too much influence...

https://twitter.com/stopdisplacemnt

as usual some sjws that aren’t homeless take over and expand the agenda.

[Nparker]

...check out the banner graphic that sits atop the Twitter page of Against Displacement...

Was John Horgan born with laser eyes, or is this something the BC taxpayer has had to pay for?

[G-Man]

Bill Maher is speaking about the States but it is the same here whether we are talking about the homeless problem or building a new bridge.

https://youtu.be/R1elBgwBu2g

[rmpeers]

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Was John Horgan born with laser eyes, or is this something the BC taxpayer has had to pay for?

I'm pretty certain the ramblings of this group and their UVic staff associates likely help fuel the bad-cop fantasies of several council members.

[A Girl is No one]

Very interesting read.... actually presents a plan to make things better...

https://www.city-jou...co-homelessness

Too many great sections to paste here but here’s a short one that sounds very familiar:
“ The combination of maximal tolerance for antisocial behavior, on the one hand, and free services and food, on the other, acts as a magnet. ”

[Mike K.]

Oh yeah, that’s pretty good.

[rmpeers]

Have to raise an eyebrow at the "criminalizing homelessness" accusation, which is deployed anytime anyone tries to call out actual criminal behaviour.

In Victoria, when people raised concerns about organized crime presence, on-sight assaults, sales of hard drugs to minors and break-ins, they were accused of homeless-hating by the thuggish "activists" and a gang of slick lawyers, tasked with essentially making sure the drug trade didn't get interupted.

In any case, this city needs a better approach. The amazing work of the local poverty industry and assorted activists seems to do absolutely nothing to help people who are suffering on the streets.

[James Bay walker]

The solution of:  providing affordable homes for everyone (and a popular promise just now of some politicians). 

 

Seems like a no-brainer, except:

1.)  who pays? (us, through our taxes of course) and,

2.)  what's the long term consequence? 

 

The latter's by far the most worrisome to me.  This planet has 7 billion+ people on it.  If only 1% of the people head out to lovely Victoria in the next few decades because they've heard we've an established policy of 'providing affordable homes for everyone', that's some 70 million newcomers (a wee bit overwhelming).

 

jbw

[Love the rock]

Very interesting read.... actually presents a plan to make things better...
https://www.city-jou...co-homelessness
Too many great sections to paste here but here’s a short one that sounds very familiar:
“ The combination of maximal tolerance for antisocial behavior, on the one hand, and free services and food, on the other, acts as a magnet. ”

Yeah I don’t get why this isn’t evident to everyone. To me it’s common sense do people not believe it or choose to ignore this ideal for personal feel
good helping vibes .I really would like to know .

[Nparker]

The CoV is at odds with the security fence BC Housing installed along the Pandora frontage of its 844 Johnson housing project.

...BC Housing originally constructed the fence to ensure the safety of the residents and to address security concerns regarding people accessing the building who did not live there...staff recommend council decline BC Housing’s [variance] application due to a number of factors, including...the regularly-outlined aesthetic requirements...“The guidelines note that fences and gates must not contribute to a ‘fortress’ appearance from the street,”...

https://www.vicnews....ousing-divided/

Maybe the CoV should take a look at the aesthetics of the building since BC Housing took over the space. The fence is at least tidy and well-maintained. The same can't be said about what the public can see of the rest of the facility.

Edited by Nparker, 23 October 2019 - 12:58 PM.

[sebberry]

The CoV is at odds with the security fence BC Housing installed along the Pandora Street frontage of its 844 Johnson housing project.

Maybe the CoV should take a look at the aesthetics of the building since BC Housing took over the space. The fence is at least tidy and well-maintained. The same can't be said about what the public can see of the rest of the facility.

 

Approval of this fence could also set a design standard in which other buildings along Pandora Avenue install similar fences, which would contribute to the public’s perception of whether the street or area is safe or not.”

 

Perception of safety?  It's not the fence we need to worry about creating the wrong impression.  

[Nparker]

Perception of safety?  It's not the fence we need to worry about creating the wrong impression.  

Exactly.

[rmpeers]

The CoV is at odds with the security fence BC Housing installed along the Pandora Street frontage of its 844 Johnson housing project.
Maybe the CoV should take a look at the aesthetics of the building since BC Housing took over the space. The fence is at least tidy and well-maintained. The same can't be said about what the public can see of the rest of the facility.

Good God... so BC Housing correctly puts this fence up, knowing that the residents of this building are easy prey for drug dealers and lord knows who else, and now the stable geniuses of the CoV want to get rid of it?

Presumably they are worried the fence is slowing down the street drug trade, as it was clearly intended to do, and lord knows, the folks at city hall try to do everything humanly possible to ensure local drug gangs face as few obstacles as possible.

And they'd hate to create the impression the area is unsafe in any way. LOL. That is a pretty good joke, I'll admit. (It was meant to be a joke, right?)

More evidence of why the homeless and addicted in this city will never get any real help or the chance of a better future. Too many vested interests who want to keep the problem going, etc etc...

The scary thing is, how bad will things get once Mayor Isitt takes over...

[Nparker]

..they'd hate to create the impression the area is unsafe in any way...

I suspect this is a big part of the CoV's concern. Denying the problem exists is so much easier than solving it.

[James Bay walker]

https://www.amazon.c...y/dp/0553447432

 

Carried by our GVPL (library). 

 

I read this this past week, it certainly brings up a lot of issues I'd not thought of and fleshes out the tenant / landlord subcultures that have been contributing to the problem.

 

jbw

[A Girl is No one]

The CoV is at odds with the security fence BC Housing installed along the Pandora frontage of its 844 Johnson housing project.
Maybe the CoV should take a look at the aesthetics of the building since BC Housing took over the space. The fence is at least tidy and well-maintained. The same can't be said about what the public can see of the rest of the facility.

And nothing about all the other gates and fences that businesses and homeowners had to put up at their own expense, and obviously not for appearances. Those will be next if they pursue the same logic, cuz it makes the 844 Johnson residents look bad. Ugh.

Edited by A Girl is No one, 23 October 2019 - 04:28 PM.

[Midnightly]

i remember a few years back when the church on pandora and vancouver fed up with having to clean up every day after homeless people, and having homeless people intimidate their members they put up a gate with fencing to let people feel safe... and the people at our place (and other street people) called it a "hate gate"

 

another business puts up blocks and bumps ontop of their fencing/short wall to prevent people from sitting on it and the business is attacked for being against homeless people

 

yet 844 johnson does the same thing (to keep the people who live in the building safe).. puts up a gate (much taller with a sharp top to prevent people from climbing over) and it's perfectly acceptable... seems like a bit of a double standard...

[Mike K.]

Yes, that was the Baptist Church on Pandora between Blanshard and Quadra. It created quite the reaction among activists and one individual spray painted "hate gate" on it.

[rmpeers]

Yes, when the church tried to keep the area safe, the usual activist suspects went angrily blundering into the situation with spray paint and, as always, made things worse. Cue rambling about colonialism, priviledge, etc... Never mind the lack of respect for the church property that caused them to put up the fence in the first place... the "activists" frothing fury is such that they are unable to understand that ALL people have the right to feel safe and be respected. Until they get their heads around that very basic concept, their efforts will do nothing to improve life for anyone.