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#1781 Mattjvd

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Posted 25 June 2018 - 09:37 AM

Saanich and Victoria are having a joint special council meeting tomorrow, with a potential referendum question on the table: "Are you in favour of establishing a Citizens' Assembly to explore the costs, benefits and disadvantages of the amalgamation between the District of Saanich and the City of Victoria?"

 

http://saanich.ca.gr...06&meta_id=8323

I am not in favour of having a citizens assembly "explore" it. I'm in favour of it actually happening. Have the province legislate it for all I care.


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#1782 RFS

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Posted 25 June 2018 - 10:02 AM

Yeah, a referendum on whether or not to "explore" the idea is ridiculous.  Lets have a binding referendum on whether or not to actually amalgamate in every muni and get it done


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#1783 On the Level

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Posted 25 June 2018 - 10:32 AM

I heard Atwell on CFAX state that he found it interesting to review the total vote percentage including Duncan vs. the city of Duncan's. I can only assume that what he was alluding to was that had the referendum been based of 50 percent of all votes, they could have rammed this down the throats of Duncan residents.

#1784 tjv

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Posted 25 June 2018 - 11:57 AM

So what happens if every CRD municipality votes independently to amalgamate and say Oak Bay, Central Saanich and Colwood vote no?  Does that mean 10 municipalities become Victoria plus 3 separate municipalities?



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Posted 25 June 2018 - 12:06 PM

So what happens if every CRD municipality votes independently to amalgamate and say Oak Bay, Central Saanich and Colwood vote no?  Does that mean 10 municipalities become Victoria plus 3 separate municipalities?

 

Then you end up with the mess that is the City of Montreal. Westmount is basically the Oak Bay of Montreal.

 

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#1786 Nparker

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Posted 16 July 2018 - 05:59 PM

Casual Kev on 16 Jul 2018 - 06:16 PM said:


...Amalgamation needs to happen but it also has to make sense from a practical point of view

Agreed, which is why a 3 municipality model (West Shore, Core, Peninsula) makes sense.


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#1787 Nparker

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Posted 17 July 2018 - 08:12 AM

Hotel Mike on Jul 18 2018 - 09:04 AM said


...Could there be a different model, where a CRD handles wider issues like transportation, recycling, some infrastructure, while most communities remain independent?

Based on the CRD's handling of municipal issues to date, this doesn't offer me much confidence. There should be very little need for the CRD level of governance with the 3-muni model of amalgamation



#1788 tjv

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Posted 17 July 2018 - 09:24 AM

Agreed, which is why a 3 municipality model (West Shore, Core, Peninsula) makes sense.

At the way CoV is running things the Core will probably amalgamate with Saanich (although not impressed with the handling of Saanich Tent City).  Westshore merges into Langford.  Not sure who the Peninsula should move into I am not really impressed with any of the options

 

Of course you could end up like Montreal with places like Oak Bay staying separate


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#1789 westcoast3902

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Posted 31 July 2018 - 12:27 PM

reference to and map of Montreal is misleading .. when Prov govt  dismembered the City and appeared to  re - establish numerous small  municplaites is really an illusion.. the restored municplalties were not given the same powers they originally had before amalgamation but their  role and responsiblity were greatly curtialed and now only do a few local services.. the majority of real powers of municipal government ie;  planning, police , transit, etc wer retained by a Metro government who have super powers and are not dependent on local approvals. So local councils are actually more like neighborhood councils than full municipal  government.  

 

 in contrast here in greater Victoria the CRD can only assume and deliver a service  only if each municpllaity agrees to it.. that why each municpllaity has their own have separate parks and rec. fire , police, works, garbage pickup , planning, zoning,  building approvals  .

 

.they only use the CRD to co-operate  for water supply, land fill and recyling ,sewerage treatment  and regional parks which they do reasonably well ..

It is not widely understood that the majority of the roles played by the CRD and agenda items for the CRD Bd are to provide service only to residents of unorganized areas ( i.e. JdF,  East Sooke, Willis Pt  , Port Renfrew ), Gulf Island and small municipalities  ie Higlands, Metchosin,Sooke      i.e fire protection, building inspections,, local landfill, .Panorama Rec, local parks   ..The CRD has no authority over  land use planning, emergency services, fire, police, transit, transportation, harbours, airport et al ..and that is why we have no  co-ordinated plan to deal with housing , major roads  or economic growth    

 

Although there is some degree of intermunicipal cooperation for CREST, Library and Transit these are NOT done thru the CRD.

 

Understanding local government here in the CRD area and determining who is responsible for what is very confusing.. and very difficult to hold anyone  accountable . and the mayors and councilors of 13 municipalities  appear to like it that way. 


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#1790 Jackerbie

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Posted 01 August 2018 - 08:46 AM

reference to and map of Montreal is misleading .. when Prov govt  dismembered the City and appeared to  re - establish numerous small  municplaites is really an illusion.. the restored municplalties were not given the same powers they originally had before amalgamation but their  role and responsiblity were greatly curtialed and now only do a few local services.. the majority of real powers of municipal government ie;  planning, police , transit, etc wer retained by a Metro government who have super powers and are not dependent on local approvals. So local councils are actually more like neighborhood councils than full municipal  government.  

 

 in contrast here in greater Victoria the CRD can only assume and deliver a service  only if each municpllaity agrees to it.. that why each municpllaity has their own have separate parks and rec. fire , police, works, garbage pickup , planning, zoning,  building approvals  .

 

.they only use the CRD to co-operate  for water supply, land fill and recyling ,sewerage treatment  and regional parks which they do reasonably well ..

It is not widely understood that the majority of the roles played by the CRD and agenda items for the CRD Bd are to provide service only to residents of unorganized areas ( i.e. JdF,  East Sooke, Willis Pt  , Port Renfrew ), Gulf Island and small municipalities  ie Higlands, Metchosin,Sooke      i.e fire protection, building inspections,, local landfill, .Panorama Rec, local parks   ..The CRD has no authority over  land use planning, emergency services, fire, police, transit, transportation, harbours, airport et al ..and that is why we have no  co-ordinated plan to deal with housing , major roads  or economic growth    

 

Although there is some degree of intermunicipal cooperation for CREST, Library and Transit these are NOT done thru the CRD.

 

Understanding local government here in the CRD area and determining who is responsible for what is very confusing.. and very difficult to hold anyone  accountable . and the mayors and councilors of 13 municipalities  appear to like it that way. 

 

Each of the municipalities in the Montreal Urban Agglomeration have their own planning department, with their own OCPs, zoning bylaws, building bylaws, etc. They even have different traffic bylaws, which is an absolute pain as it means that only in Westmount are you required to wear a helmet while cycling. They do share many services, such as the SPVM police force and other emergency services. 

 

Montreal is a terribly confusing beast because you have the City of Montreal and it's boroughs (each of which has it's own mayor and council), the other municipalities on the island, the Montreal Urban Agglomeration Council (which is supra-municipal body that includes all of the island of Montreal), and the Montreal Metropolitan Community (which is a regional government body that includes the metropolitan area). It's an onion of government bureaucracy with overlapping powers and jurisdictions.



#1791 Nparker

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Posted 01 August 2018 - 08:53 AM

...Montreal is a terribly confusing beast...It's an onion of government bureaucracy with overlapping powers and jurisdictions.

At least we have a model NOT to follow should amalgamation ever come about in the capital region.


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