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#501 Nparker

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Posted 09 December 2017 - 11:07 AM

...The OCP’s are BS. Spot zoning everything is BS. Just rezone the city proper.

The OCPs are as often challenged by residents and neighbourhood associations as they are by developers. The writer of the letter fails to mention that.



#502 Mike K.

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Posted 09 December 2017 - 04:12 PM

There are 352 rental apartments and 947 condos under construction in downtown Victoria.

If we expand to nearby fringe areas that’ll push the number up by another 400, give or take.
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#503 Nparker

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Posted 09 December 2017 - 04:58 PM

So you're saying we likely won't see Bill de Blasio's name for mayor on the 2018 ballot?



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Posted 30 December 2017 - 07:03 PM

I feel like Aastra may be Brian Toderian. Awesome article on building height. https://www.planetizen.com/node/69073
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Posted 31 December 2017 - 09:21 AM

I feel like Aastra may be Brian Toderian. Awesome article on building height. https://www.planetizen.com/node/69073

 

aastra uses a lower case "a" and would probably make a good candidate for mayor. It's a job you can get high on.



#506 aastra

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Posted 31 December 2017 - 09:38 AM

I'm 98% certain that I didn't write the piece, but a few of the commenters sure sound like me.



#507 Nparker

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Posted 01 January 2018 - 12:59 PM

Try as I might, I couldn't find any CoV or even CRD projects in this list. Perhaps all of our world-class buildings will be completing in 2019.



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Posted 08 March 2018 - 02:40 PM

 

It’s easy to find sympathy for both sides, and for those on the sidelines who recall a time not long ago when a 26-storey tower would have been inconceivable.

read more at http://www.timescolo...-air-1.23189149

 

For those keeping score, highrise buildings with 20-something floors were being built in Victoria as recently as the early 1970s. Such buildings were being proposed again by the early 2000s (right around the time when the HBC abandoned its historic building). So the era during which a 26-story tower would have been "inconceivable" lasted maybe 25 years? We're acting like it was 250 years.

 

 

The opponents tended to be older, while those in favour were younger. The former want to preserve the character of the neighbourhood they love;

read more at http://www.timescolo...-air-1.23189149

 

Can you really preserve the character of a neighbourhood that's absolutely full of lowrise apartment blocks by prohibiting a new lowrise apartment block?

 

Summary:

 

- If you ban tall highrise buildings for ~25 years then a new tall highrise building consequently becomes inconceivable

- If you build lowrise apartment blocks in Fairfield like crazy for ~55 years then a new lowrise apartment block in Fairfield consequently becomes inconceivable
 

The pattern seems to be: development and redevelopment are inconceivable, regardless of particulars or circumstances.


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#509 Rob Randall

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Posted 08 March 2018 - 07:52 PM

For those keeping score, highrise buildings with 20-something floors were being built in Victoria as recently as the early 1970s. Such buildings were being proposed again by the early 2000s (right around the time when the HBC abandoned its historic building). So the era during which a 26-story tower would have been "inconceivable" lasted maybe 25 years? We're acting like it was 250 years.

 

 

The main difference is today's towers are less alienating. They are more urban with pedestrian-friendly podiums and retail spaces than the previous Le Corbusier-inspired towers which were isolated from their surroundings with acres of parking or landscaping. The backlash against modern towers was about much more than height.



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Posted 08 March 2018 - 07:55 PM

^ That might be right.  The podium at View Towers, or even Toronto Street is kinda weak.


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#511 Rob Randall

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Posted 08 March 2018 - 08:17 PM

View Towers is an anomaly as the project was aborted half-way through so it never even got its intended treatment. I assume a second tower would have had a communal courtyard at the base instead of a barren parking garage roof.  



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Posted 08 March 2018 - 08:24 PM

By "Toronto" I mean Roberts House.  I'm 99%* sure nobody has ever played Frisbee™ on those lawns.

 

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* usual


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#513 Rob Randall

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Posted 08 March 2018 - 08:45 PM

The TC played it safe by saying 26 storeys. Because there are slightly shorter buildings born during the "inconceivable" era. The Rohani office tower on Fort is one, I believe.


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#514 Nparker

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Posted 08 March 2018 - 10:25 PM

View Towers is an anomaly as the project was aborted half-way through...

Too bad it wasn't aborted in its first trimester.



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Posted 22 March 2018 - 01:59 PM

Check this out for the arena surface parking lot in Kelowna:

https://okanaganedge...18/03/22/15652/


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#516 RFS

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Posted 22 March 2018 - 02:08 PM

Makes hudson one look like poo :(

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Posted 22 March 2018 - 03:13 PM

Kelowna has some really nice high rise proposals in the pipeline. This one was just approved in February for a parking lot downtown. That band in the middle is a restaurant. One half is hotel, the other half is residences. There are lots of nice renderings on the project site: http://www.westcorp....ntown-hotel.php

 

Nighttime_View_From_Okanagan_Lake.jpg


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#518 Mike K.

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Posted 22 March 2018 - 03:20 PM

If the speculation tax stays in effect none of these projects will proceed as envisioned, at least not in the medium term.


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#519 RFS

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Posted 22 March 2018 - 03:22 PM

If the speculation tax stays in effect none of these projects will proceed as envisioned, at least not in the medium term.


Good! They dont have an affordability element so they are all "wasted opportunities" anyway.

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#520 Mike K.

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Posted 22 March 2018 - 04:56 PM

Yup, pretty much.

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