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#2001 Spy Black

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Posted 21 August 2021 - 09:51 AM

BTW - bands and entertainers don't sell tickets to their own shows ... promoters (like Live Nation) sell those tickets, and "own" the actual show(s) from a business perspective.

 

A lot of folks don't realize that a purchased ticket is a 100% legal contract between the seller and the buyer. 

As with any contract, both parties have to agree completely with each other in order for that contract to be valid, at which time both parties "sign off" on the contract (as a ticket buyer, you pay your money and take the ticket into your metaphorical hand).

 

If a promoter (like Live Nation) requires vaccination proof as part of their contract, but the spectator doesn't want to offer that proof ... then the contract is not fulfilled, you don't get a ticket, and you are unable to attend the event in question.

 

If you're unvaccinated, and vociferously complaining about not being permitted to attend your favourite artists concert ... nobody cares. You made a personal choice not to fulfil your part of the contract, and thus you are 100% responsible for whatever outcome transpires.



#2002 Nparker

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Posted 21 August 2021 - 09:53 AM

...If you're unvaccinated, and vociferously complaining about not being permitted to attend your favourite artists concert ... nobody cares. You made a personal choice not to fulfil your part of the contract, and thus you are 100% responsible for whatever outcome transpires.

This 100%.  :thumbsup:



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Posted 21 August 2021 - 10:30 AM

If you're unvaccinated, and vociferously complaining about not being permitted to attend your favourite artists concert ... nobody cares. You made a personal choice not to fulfil your part of the contract, and thus you are 100% responsible for whatever outcome transpires.

 

Becoming a non-issues as more and more events are being cancelled with wave 4 of covid. 



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Posted 21 August 2021 - 10:47 AM

Becoming a non-issues as more and more events are being cancelled with wave 4 of covid. 

But will become solidly entrenched in order to prevent the 5th, 6th, and 7th waves ... at least in terms of how live entertainment will respond to the world trying to move past COVID.



#2005 Nparker

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Posted 21 August 2021 - 10:51 AM

If the anti-vaxxers were less vociferous, there would not be a 4th wave.



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Posted 21 August 2021 - 10:55 AM

If the anti-vaxxers were less vociferous, there would not be a 4th wave.

 

The research is (and I can post links from credible sources) that both vaxxed and non-vaxxed people carry the same viral load. Either way you are going to infect other people. The non-vaxxed run the risk of more serious illness of course but they are not greater risk to anyone other than themselves.



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Posted 21 August 2021 - 10:56 AM

But will become solidly entrenched in order to prevent the 5th, 6th, and 7th waves ... at least in terms of how live entertainment will respond to the world trying to move past COVID.

 

The way this is looking is that we will have covid for a very long time like the flu and that we will not be able to eradicate it.



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Posted 21 August 2021 - 11:10 AM

...The non-vaxxed run the risk of more serious illness of course but they are not greater risk to anyone other than themselves.

But they put a greater strain on the healthcare system and that is a greater risk to my tax dollars.



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Posted 21 August 2021 - 11:15 AM

BTW - bands and entertainers don't sell tickets to their own shows ... promoters (like Live Nation) sell those tickets, and "own" the actual show(s) from a business perspective.

A lot of folks don't realize that a purchased ticket is a 100% legal contract between the seller and the buyer.
As with any contract, both parties have to agree completely with each other in order for that contract to be valid, at which time both parties "sign off" on the contract (as a ticket buyer, you pay your money and take the ticket into your metaphorical hand).

If a promoter (like Live Nation) requires vaccination proof as part of their contract, but the spectator doesn't want to offer that proof ... then the contract is not fulfilled, you don't get a ticket, and you are unable to attend the event in question.

If you're unvaccinated, and vociferously complaining about not being permitted to attend your favourite artists concert ... nobody cares. You made a personal choice not to fulfil your part of the contract, and thus you are 100% responsible for whatever outcome transpires.

agree with all this.

but business and indeed artists have been attacked online for pro vaccine policies.

few weather the storm. most capitulate. the online mob rules.


https://www.healthin...n-over-backlash

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#2010 Greg

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Posted 21 August 2021 - 11:17 AM

The research is (and I can post links from credible sources) that both vaxxed and non-vaxxed people carry the same viral load. Either way you are going to infect other people. The non-vaxxed run the risk of more serious illness of course but they are not greater risk to anyone other than themselves.

 

Carry the same viral load if infected, but vaxxed are lower likelihood for being infected (reducing R0). And as to the unvaxxed being a risk only to themselves, see how you feel when the next mutation comes around because of rampant caseload in the unvaxxed, and this time the variant is a complete breakthrough against the vaccine and we are at square one.

 

(Also, if your kid needed a pediatric ICU bed in Texas today and had to be flown out of state to get one, you'd probably feel differently about the unvaxxed.)


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#2011 Nparker

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Posted 21 August 2021 - 11:21 AM

I have no issue treating those who CHOOSE* to remain unvaccinated as the pariahs they are.

 

 

*those under 12 and people with legitimate medical reasons excepted of course



#2012 Spy Black

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Posted 21 August 2021 - 11:24 AM

few weather the storm. most capitulate. the online mob rules.

The article linked to has nothing to do with concerts, entertainment, or selling tickets to events?

 

There is only one side of history to be on as it relates to COVID vaccinations. 

Advocating for the unvaccinated will simply (as it already has) brand one as an uneducated fool.

 

We already know there is a vocal, but limited minority of those ignorant fools, folks who will perpetuate utterly false rumours regarding vaccinations ... they will ultimately prove to be irrelevant to any and all intelligent conversations related to the issue of COVID.

In the end, the online mob rule nothing at all, and as previously noted, as a group will over time become utterly irrelevant to the conversation ... left to live and die as may come to pass.



#2013 Mike K.

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Posted 21 August 2021 - 11:51 AM

The Phillips event got grief online because they announced post-sale there would be a restriction, meaning groups of people would then have to huck tickets. Some people are still waiting on their second shot, and didn’t plan to have it until mid or late September. It’s not advisable to have it in 28 days, but if a must it’s ok. That’s the guidance.

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Posted 21 August 2021 - 05:11 PM

I believe that many events will put tickets on-sale, but may then be forced to adjust the "rules" of attendance as the Provincial Health Orders are modified, or changed. Some of these (often major) changes may come well after an event is already sold out.

 

A typical promoters last resort would be to outright cancel a sold-out gig ... so such adjustments to audience requirements will likely be the norm for the next 8 to 16 months (if not longer).

 

It will be difficult for promoters, venues, and arts companies to cover all the bases in advance, and to have clearly laid out contingency plans in place prior to the sale of any given ticket ... and yet that's essentially what the contract between ticket seller and ticket buyer demands.

 

Part of the problem (and it's a serious one from a gig perspective) is that Bonnie Henry and Adrian Dix are pretty freewheeling with their press conferences, and seem to not hesitate to make sweeping changes to the health orders based on a metric that they don't share with the general public. 

This makes putting on shows extremely difficult ... and I would posit that it may indeed eventually make putting on shows completely impossible until we're well clear of rampant COVID ... which could easily be a year, but more likely two years from today.

 

As I've noted elsewhere, the entertainment industry is literally hanging by a thread, and as a whole is an industry which is desperate to begin to generate revenue in order to survive ... but unfortunately (and as we are all well aware) COVID doesn't play by anybodies predetermined rules, and thus we're left to try and guess (from an entertainment perspective) what might happen next week, next month, and on into 2022 and beyond.


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#2015 Matt R.

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Posted 21 August 2021 - 07:20 PM

How much did negative sentiment regarding proof of vaccine at the event impact the decision, I wonder?


Probably none. I imagine ticket sales were very strong.

Saint and Sinners tour (Moist, Sloan, Tea Party, Headstones), postponed from last year, has been cancelled. Lame. I’m wondering if the City and Colour tour will happen.

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Posted 22 August 2021 - 03:24 AM

NYC held a big concert last night.

https://nypost.com/2...ark-washed-out/

but the killers and Paul Simon and Bruce Springsteen were all rained out.

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Posted 22 August 2021 - 03:27 AM

Probably none. I imagine ticket sales were very strong.

Saint and Sinners tour (Moist, Sloan, Tea Party, Headstones), postponed from last year, has been cancelled. Lame. I’m wondering if the City and Colour tour will happen.

Matt.


Saints and Sinners had been set for November.

https://www.saintsan...rstour2021.com/
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Posted 24 August 2021 - 08:04 AM

Lots of tickets are still available for the All Ways Home music festival on Sept. 4 and 5. Initial sales were strong as expected, until buyers noticed they’d been charged in U.S. dollars instead of Canadian.

 

The ticket sales platform had to temporarily close sales to fix the error and refund the difference to buyers. Sales are back up and running, but headliner Jesse Roper said some people got the idea the show was sold out.

 

 

 

https://www.vicnews....till-available/


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Posted 24 August 2021 - 08:54 AM

Rolling Stones drummer Charlie Watts dies at age 80

 

Watts, the drummer who provided the backbone of the Rolling Stones’ songs for more than half a century, has died.

His publicist says Watts “passed away peacefully in a London hospital earlier today surrounded by his family," adding he was "one of the greatest drummers of his generation.”


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#2020 vortoozo

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Posted 24 August 2021 - 09:42 AM

The Phillips event got grief online because they announced post-sale there would be a restriction, meaning groups of people would then have to huck tickets. Some people are still waiting on their second shot, and didn’t plan to have it until mid or late September. It’s not advisable to have it in 28 days, but if a must it’s ok. That’s the guidance.

 

I don't think this was the case. Unless it was within the first 24 hours of sale. The vaccine requirement was listed on the website when I was looking at ticket prices the morning after it went on sale.



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