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#41 julienne

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Posted 10 January 2011 - 09:19 PM

Went to the new Tre fantastico today. it's small but has a lovely decor. The menu is minimal as is the kitchen space but the choices are solid and beautifully presented. Great punchy flavours, hearty choices and some healthy fare. I like it. And I love the idea that you can have a glass of wine at lunch or afterwork on the way home. They'll have some great local brews on tap as well. They're still just finding their legs and getting their wine lists in order but the coffee is full steam ahead.
The treed patio setting in the summer will be beautiful, looking over to St. Anns. Love having it in the neigbhourhood and I hope they do well. It will be a regular stop for me.

#42 OSJ

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Posted 11 January 2011 - 08:56 AM

Regular food-primary. All that is required of them is that they derive 1/2 of their sales revenue from food and non-alcoholic beverages. I'm sure they do that easily.



i have just gone through the regulations when opening The Ledge. part of our area is a FP license.
this is from the LCB site.
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The Liquor Control and Licensing Branch issues food-primary licences to businesses (restaurants) where the service of food, as opposed to liquor, is the primary focus of the business.
Licensed restaurants may serve any kind of liquor. However, a full range of appetizers and main courses must be available and being served, whenever liquor is available. (Restaurants with 50 or more seats only may apply to have a small, separate lounge area where they can serve liquor without food.)

i cant just sell sandwiches and appys, so why should they get away with it?

#43 G-Man

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Posted 11 January 2011 - 11:28 AM

I guess it comes down to a definition of full range of appy and full courses. A cafe with sausage rolls and panini's should qualify IMO.

I find it odd that pople always go to the fairness point here though. Cafe's, Restaurants, bars etc. Should all be able to sell liquor. Or more importantly I should be able to go where I want to purchase it so long as I am of age and drink responsibly.

#44 VicHockeyFan

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Posted 11 January 2011 - 11:52 AM

I find it odd that pople always go to the fairness point here though. Cafe's, Restaurants, bars etc. Should all be able to sell liquor. Or more importantly I should be able to go where I want to purchase it so long as I am of age and drink responsibly.


I agree.
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#45 OSJ

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Posted 11 January 2011 - 12:37 PM

I guess it comes down to a definition of full range of appy and full courses. A cafe with sausage rolls and panini's should qualify IMO.

I find it odd that pople always go to the fairness point here though. Cafe's, Restaurants, bars etc. Should all be able to sell liquor. Or more importantly I should be able to go where I want to purchase it so long as I am of age and drink responsibly.


fair enough, but then i should only need to offer the same menu items if i like in order to sell liquor, and that is not the case.
i can not have just appys and sandwiches on my menu, and the room must "look" like a restaurant, not a bar. table settings, etc.. is what i was told. a lot of it is to the discretion of the inspector as well.
from what they have also told me, you can not sit and have a glass of any liquor without eating. having the menu availible is not enough.
it is a very slippery slope, i have dealt with itin the past year and it was very frustrating.
for the amount of money the government makes on liqupr tax they should be a little easier on us.

#46 G-Man

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Posted 11 January 2011 - 01:28 PM

^ I agree with you completely.

#47 VicHockeyFan

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Posted 11 January 2011 - 01:43 PM

i have just gone through the regulations when opening The Ledge. part of our area is a FP license.
this is from the LCB site.
"
The Liquor Control and Licensing Branch issues food-primary licences to businesses (restaurants) where the service of food, as opposed to liquor, is the primary focus of the business.
Licensed restaurants may serve any kind of liquor. However, a full range of appetizers and main courses must be available and being served, whenever liquor is available. (Restaurants with 50 or more seats only may apply to have a small, separate lounge area where they can serve liquor without food.)

i cant just sell sandwiches and appys, so why should they get away with it?


Well, my 2010 guide for FP just says that you must sell a "resonable variety of appetizers and main courses... serving salsa, chips, peanuts and other finger foods is not enough to meet this requirement". No mention of "full range".

http://www.pssg.gov....urces/index.htm
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#48 OSJ

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Posted 11 January 2011 - 02:30 PM

thats where the discretion of the inspector comes in.
a sandwich is not an entree though, what have people seen at some of these cafe's that are on the menus to qualify them?

not trying to get anyone in trouble, just would like it to be fair for everyone.

#49 Bob Fugger

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Posted 11 January 2011 - 03:21 PM

a sandwich is not an entree though, what have people seen at some of these cafe's that are on the menus to qualify them?


I disagree. This is straight out of the policy manual:

The rules for each type of licence reflect the primary purpose of the establishment. For example, food primary establishments must offer both appetizers and main courses, while bars are required to offer hot or cold snacks and non-alcoholic beverages.

And it goes on to talk about, "...a reasonable variety of main courses and appetizers..." As such, I would reasonably consider a sandwich as a main course and a minimum of four to six as a reasonable variety. Offering a side (salad, chips or fries) with the sandwich definitely cements it as a main course, imho.

#50 OSJ

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Posted 12 January 2011 - 09:30 AM

i agree that is the way that it appears, but as i said. i just went through this and I was told i have to have more than that. as i said earlier, it is a discretion thing.

this is a response i got yesterday from my inspector when i asked some questions.

" can't comment on individual licenses. There is only one kind of FP
licence. However, all Food Primaries are subject to requirements of
having a food menu. It needs to include a variety of hot and cold items,
such as sandwiches, salads, soup, appetizers, main items and others.
Simply having pre-packaged food or 'finger food' is not sufficient."

you will see that he adds sandwiches as well as MAIN ITEMS.

there are so many grey areas with the Liquor board. wich it was much easier to deal with them

#51 dirtydeeds

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Posted 15 January 2011 - 10:07 PM

From Fantastico's Facebook site

Caffè Fantastico Specialty Coffees
‎$3 will get you a pincha of beer and a fresh housemade pretzel tonight at Tre Fantastico Espresso Ale and Wines open until 10pm at 810 Humbolt Street

#52 Kapten Kapsell

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Posted 24 February 2011 - 10:37 AM

It appears that Buon Amici's on Tyee Road has changed hands: it is now called Spresso and (once again) it is licenced.

 



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