Vanishing trees

from that link

 

"One way we can do this is to honour the ancient indigenous practice of returning the dying trees to their ancestral communities. Having lived their natural life, they will return “home,” where they will be used, amongst other things, to provide warmth and light. We have much to learn about not wasting the gifts of nature.  "

 

 

I guess no other cultures have learned to use a tree cut down for building houses, making furniture, for firewood, etc.    

 

As I was reading that, I was thinking, "it looks like they'll use the fallen trees as compost in an urban forest, which sounds alright."

 

...then in the next sentence we learn it's becoming firewood. So I'm not even sure what they're talking about. Are they saying the firewood will be delivered to one of the First Nations nearby to be used as firewood, or to a rural part of our region to be used as firewood? It's a bit confusing. And who wastes firewood even in our society? It's scooped up asap by people with wood stoves. Nothing is wasted.

to provide warmth and light.  that's great doublespeak.

Firewood/Climate emergency....are those compatible?

in it's relatively short (geologic time) lifetime a tree removes co2 from the air, sequesters it briefly, and then releases it back into the environment. 

 

if you burn the wood the co2 is released relatively quickly - but there is an energy benefit if it keeps some people warm, cooks some food, etc. (i ignore other by-products of combustion as co2 is the main point here)

 

if you chip/mulch it the c02 is relased more slowly as the mulch decomposes over time but there can be benefits to mulching as well. (here i ignore other by-products of decomp, - methane, ammonia, etc - for the same reason)

 

if you let the log/tree lie where it falls - the decomp is even slower, with more or less the same story as mulch - but the benefits are different - wildlife habitat improvement, nurse logs, etc.

 

in all these cases however, the fact remains that the relative time frame,from take-up to release, is insignificant as regards any climate emergency.

 

this has been termed a current carbohydrate balance - where sequestration of co2 and re-release occur over a short timeframe

 

compare this to the 50+ million years it takes for oil to form from buried plant materials and it's sudden release over the short timeframe since the beginning of the industrial revolution, say the last 200 years

 

conflating things like firewood, purpose grown xmas trees, building lumber, pulp and paper, and so on with the massive impacts of utilisation of fossil fuels is a poor argument - not that it isn't made all the time.

 

"One way we can do this is to honour the ancient indigenous practice of returning the dying trees to their ancestral communities. Having lived their natural life, they will return “home,” where they will be used, amongst other things, to provide warmth and light. We have much to learn about not wasting the gifts of nature.  "

 

but nonsensical fairy tales like those above are just silly

Edited by tommy, 23 November 2020 - 10:34 PM.

Ottawa announces $3.16 billion to plant two billion trees over the next decade

https://www.ctvnews....ecade-1.5230845

How many trees will nature plant per the next decade?

How many has Trudeau planted so far? He promised this back in 2019.

How many has Trudeau planted so far? He promised this back in 2019.

According to the article, the plan was announced in 2019 but only funded just now. So no trees yet.

Firewood/Climate emergency....are those compatible?

Wood heat is carbon neutral.

Matt.

And far more forests burn naturally every year than burn in fireplaces.

Every Victoria-owned tree and its condition can be found online

Open dataset lets people pinpoint boulevard trees; other city datasets available for viewing

https://www.vicnews....e-found-online/

This data for Langford will be easy at the current rate, in a few years there'll be like 7 left 

^No prob, he'll replace them with fake tree cell towers.

 

https://www.dezeen.c...ised-fauxliage/

^No prob, he'll replace them with fake tree cell towers.

 

https://www.dezeen.c...ised-fauxliage/

 

Surrounded by astroturf and green painted concrete?

The "missing middle" project will potentially remove more mature trees with one single piece of legislation, than have been removed in the past 50 years in the CoV.

 

 

2019:

 

Victoria city staff recommend $110,000 be transferred for the implementation of an Urban Forest Master Plan.

 

The Urban Forest Master Plan (UFMP) has been in place since 2013, and holds 26 recommendations to expand the City’s urban forest over the next 50 years. There are approximately 150,000 trees in the city, of which the city is responsible for 32,950. The UFMP hopes to expand this number and increase the canopy coverage throughout the area.

 

“In response to council’s direction to expedite the implementation of the UFMP and in response to the climate emergency, staff have developed an implementation plan to complete high priority UFMP recommendations over next five years,” the report reads.

 

To do so, staff are recommending a five-step process. The first is to finish hiring its urban forest team; several people have been hired but two more will be added in 2020.

 

 

 

 

https://www.vicnews....s-urban-forest/

 

 

Edited by Victoria Watcher, 08 June 2022 - 11:39 AM.

Just in case there's a person left in this world who still believes the "save the trees" agenda has any validity whatsoever, I would recommend reading through this thread from the beginning.

Did my eyes deceive me or is there a large oak tree lying down but still growing on the grounds of Government House? I assume that fell very recently?

 

I also noticed a large tree busting through a rock wall somewhere but I'm not sure if it was there or somewhere else.

 

...a large oak tree lying down but still growing...

 

Just in case anyone asks me how I tell it's still growing...

 

I tell it's still growing by typing inside the "Reply To This Topic" box and then clicking "Post".

Did my eyes deceive me or is there a large oak tree lying down but still growing on the grounds of Government House? I assume that fell very recently?

 

I also noticed a large tree busting through a rock wall somewhere but I'm not sure if it was there or somewhere else.

Is it near the bee hives? If so, that has been down for quite a while now, several years I would say.

 

Although I haven't seen it for myself, someone told me that several of the large chestnuts on Cook St. near Yates were coming down. No idea if that is the case. 

Langford adds ‘very restrictive’ tree bylaw to council agenda at last minute

Tree protection bylaw would see $1,000 fines for those who break rules, passes third reading



In a last-minute addition to Monday’s special council meeting agenda, Langford councillors passed first, second and third readings on a restrictive tree protection bylaw.

As of Monday morning (Dec. 19), the council meeting agenda only had one item on it, calling for an in-camera meeting for the “receipt of advice that is subject to solicitor-client privilege, including communications necessary for that purpose.”


https://www.vicnews....at-last-minute/



But prior to the meeting’s 1 p.m. start date, an extra item was added that prohibits the cutting down of any tree with a trunk diameter bigger than 20 centimetres or taller than 1.4 metres anywhere within Langford – with a number of exceptions – and would fine violators $1,000 for breaking those rules.

“As is often the case, news that council may be contemplating tree protection can accelerate actual tree cutting in advance of the adoption of a policy or bylaw,” read a staff report attached to the tree protection bylaw.

Edited by Victoria Watcher, 20 December 2022 - 09:06 AM.