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42nd British Columbia Provincial Election and term | October 2020 - 2024


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#281 On the Level

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Posted 25 September 2020 - 06:49 AM

 

Mr. Weaver agreed on Thursday that the minority government worked well.

 

Do I think Mr. Horgan deserves another term? I certainly do,” said Mr. Weaver, who has lately sat as an independent in the legislature and been at odds with his former party. He is not seeking re-election after seven years as an MLA.

 

“We worked so collaboratively over three years that it would be very difficult for me to wear an antagonism hat and campaign against him.”

 

I don't really understand why people think Horgan owes the Greens and Furstenau anything.  Weaver's feedback on the Greens is completely ignored.  For everything we have heard there is going to be 100 times more that isn't made public.

 

Stirling had a caller on his program yesterday where they both were saying that there is an "unwritten rule" that parties don't run a candidate against the leader of another party.  That's ridiculous.  They teleport leaders into safe ridings like they did with Cristy Clark running for Kelowna.  They certainly don't have some sort of "Gentleman's agreement" to stop democracy for leaders.


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#282 Mike K.

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Posted 25 September 2020 - 07:03 AM

Right. So if you live in a leader’s riding your democratic voice simply doesn’t exist if you don’t support the leader? What nonsense.

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#283 Nparker

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Posted 25 September 2020 - 07:38 AM

...So if you live in a leader’s riding your democratic voice simply doesn’t exist if you don’t support the leader?...

That's how things work in the CoV.



#284 Mike K.

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Posted 25 September 2020 - 07:50 AM

Well no, because you are still free to vote for your chosen candidate. In the example above it sounds like the "gentlemen" have decided to completely absolve you of your democratic choice.


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#285 Awaiting Juno

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Posted 26 September 2020 - 06:03 AM

Well no, because you are still free to vote for your chosen candidate. In the example above it sounds like the "gentlemen" have decided to completely absolve you of your democratic choice.

 

Which is why the US system - at least when it comes to choosing a president, makes some sense.



#286 Awaiting Juno

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Posted 26 September 2020 - 06:34 AM

Any chance Karen Bill is actually going to campaign this time around?  So far it's crickets on twitter with respect to questions about Beacon Hill Park.  To be fair its also crickets from Grace Lore...



#287 todd

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Posted 26 September 2020 - 08:43 AM

So I’m thinking a minority government which makes everyone mad that the election was a waste of time/health another election is held BC Liberals get in?

https://youtu.be/zjedLeVGcfE

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#288 Mike K.

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Posted 26 September 2020 - 08:57 AM

Wouldn’t it be sweet justice if Furstenau had to prop up the NDP? Maybe this time she’d support the Liberals.

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#289 todd

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Posted 26 September 2020 - 09:12 AM

It’s hard to say what stage the voters are in adjusting to life with coronavirus:


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#290 Awaiting Juno

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Posted 26 September 2020 - 02:25 PM

I doubt the Greens would ever prop up the Liberals if this story from the Tyee is to be trusted "She hated the liberals"... https://thetyee.ca/C...-Green-Support/ in which case, I don't think the Greens stand too much of a chance as a vote for the Greens, is basically a vote for the NDP.  So why bother voting Green this time?  I really do think voters need to look at who the Liberals are now, what their platform is and ask themselves whether or not they might be better off giving the reigns to the liberals over the next 4 years.



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Posted 26 September 2020 - 02:52 PM

I have a lot of sympathy for those who have no interest in voting for the NDP or Greens - what’s the alternative? Really don’t see how the Liberals have changed at all, they have a leader who is out of touch with most British Columbians and they really need to banished from holding power for at least another four years. We’d all be better off if they died off, just like the Socreds but this time were replaced by a party that actually had a progressive conservative vision that went beyond enriching friends and donors and keeping the socialists out of power.
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#292 RFS

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Posted 26 September 2020 - 03:46 PM

We need a Saskatchewan party but here

#293 Awaiting Juno

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Posted 26 September 2020 - 04:42 PM

Unlike Zoomer, I think in Victoria, the NDP need to be thrown out, they've taken the support of Victorians for granted and on important issues have abandoned us.  I think Wilkinson is actually a decent leader despite his lack of charisma - but more importantly I think the Liberals will do more to advance the province and those who live here over the next four years.  On ending 24/7 camping - Karen Bill had this to say on Twitter: "The increase of violence, theft, and crime is devastating neighbourhoods around the province, including Beacon Hill Park. I believe that everyone deserves to live in a safe community and will take steps to immediately address these issues if elected. #bcpoli @bcliberals" .  Add to it a commitment to get rid of the EHT (and replace it either with changes to income tax or sales taxes) - and I'm fairly sold about where my vote should go.  The EHT clobbered small and medium sized businesses - as an example our MSP bill for our family went from $1800 a year, to $30,000 a year.  Big Wheel Burger - looking at an EHT bill of $40k.  So for me, unless Horgan can convince me otherwise, my vote would be wasted with either the NDPs or the Greens.


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#294 todd

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Posted 26 September 2020 - 05:20 PM

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Posted 26 September 2020 - 05:50 PM

Just saw Wilky on the teevee. He's got the energy and magnetism of a pencil eraser.


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#296 max.bravo

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Posted 26 September 2020 - 06:06 PM

Strongly agree the Liberals are out of touch. It's a shame because I think a lot of hard working honest people would vote for a party that promoted similar ethics. 


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#297 RFS

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Posted 26 September 2020 - 06:29 PM

Just saw Wilky on the teevee. He's got the energy and magnetism of a pencil eraser.


He's the ultimate example of a guy who gets the job just for being a long time party insider
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#298 LJ

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Posted 26 September 2020 - 06:51 PM

Just saw Wilky on the teevee. He's got the energy and magnetism of a pencil eraser.

I thought so as well, but now I see him smiling more and speaking emphatically rather than angrily, I could vote for him.


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#299 zoomer

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Posted 26 September 2020 - 06:58 PM

Unlike Zoomer, I think in Victoria, the NDP need to be thrown out, they've taken the support of Victorians for granted and on important issues have abandoned us.  I think Wilkinson is actually a decent leader despite his lack of charisma - but more importantly I think the Liberals will do more to advance the province and those who live here over the next four years.  On ending 24/7 camping - Karen Bill had this to say on Twitter: "The increase of violence, theft, and crime is devastating neighbourhoods around the province, including Beacon Hill Park. I believe that everyone deserves to live in a safe community and will take steps to immediately address these issues if elected. [/size]#bcpoli[/size][/size] [/size]@bcliberals" [/size][/size].  Add to it a commitment to get rid of the EHT (and replace it either with changes to income tax or sales taxes) - and I'm fairly sold about where my vote should go.  The EHT clobbered small and medium sized businesses - as an example our MSP bill for our family went from $1800 a year, to $30,000 a year.  Big Wheel Burger - looking at an EHT bill of $40k.  So for me, unless Horgan can convince me otherwise, my vote would be wasted with either the NDPs or the Greens.


A Karen on Twitter comment is irrelevant - especially when 99% of people would agree with it and state the same thing, AND because the homeless/crime situation has been decades in the making under which time BC has overwhelmingly been under Socred/Liberal leadership. Seriously.. after three years in power this is all the NDP’s fault, and we should bring back the LIBERALS to fix this?! I’ve been to Vancouver and there is this interesting area called the Downtown Eastside that has been there for decades with zero improvement.

Maybe if Lisa followed Horgan’s advice and banned overnight camping in parks you’d be able to visit there in relative peace.

As for Wilkinson being a decent leader - I’ll disagree, he doesn’t have his party ready for the election, it’s not clear what they stand for, nor has he made the case that his party can make life better for all British Columbians - not to mention he was part of the past Liberal government that failed to deliver. He’s so out of touch he said renting was a fun and wacky time, a rite of passage; he had to apologize for characterizing domestic violence as ‘a tough marriage’ and he’s failed to reign in the homophobia and transphobia by a few in his caucus.

As for the EHT, I’ll agree with you there, make it part of general taxation, it has been onerous even with the NDP reducing small business tax by 20% and together with the federal government combined they have spent billions bailing out small, medium and large scale businesses and subsidizing their employees. Funny how businesses forget all this during the good times as they call for their taxes to be reduced and the minimum wage rolled back or frozen.

So if we can’t get a true progressive conservative alternative (small p and c), how about a new political party that goes 3D beyond the traditional left/right 2D bs.

A party that isn’t bound by ideology or special interest groups, that understands there are no easy answers, that we must constantly test new approaches and be guided by evidence to find long lasting solutions.

A party that views homeless strategy success as one where in the long term there are actually far fewer supportive housing units, very few shelters (and the ones that exist are government run), and no food banks. To get there we will likely need more supportive units short term (ultimately these can be converted to market units), but we need strategies that focus on early intervention, do not create long term dependency, and take away individual incentive, responsibility and accountability.

We need a party that will commit to being hard on crime while also addressing the root causes. This means providing funding to municipalities to establish teams that will tackle the small stuff such as undercover units to identify, prosecute or sue prolific graffiti artists for damages. This means establishing video surveillance and police presence in areas where crime is spiking - seriously, why does in takes weeks of windows being smashed at South Park before it becomes an issue? This means zero tolerance for property crime - why is this acceptable? Again, more bait bikes.

It also means more and better addiction treatment, but working desperately to reduce overall drug use. Man, I could go on, and on, and on.. but overtime is coming up in the game, lol.

But does this sound like the Liberals, NDP or Green Party?! NO! NONE OF THEM. Which is why we need a new party. Awaiting Juno, are you with me!? I’ll start a Go Fund Me, we just need $100,000 to start. I’ll even support you as our first leader! :)
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#300 North Shore

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Posted 27 September 2020 - 06:55 AM

 they might be better off giving the reigns to the liberals over the next 4 years.

reins!!

 

’ and he’s failed to reign in the homophobia and transphobia by a few in his caucus.

 

rein!

 

Rain: liquid water that falls from the sky in droplet form

Reign: Length of time a Monarch is on the throne

 

Rein: Keep under control, or restrain..

 

Carry on! :teacher:


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