[Downtown] 1030 Fort Street | Rentals; retail | 6-storeys

One of those two old Tudor buildings is actually art deco, I would prefer if it reverted back. The other one is great and the one across the street (bikes, shoes) is even better. 

It was Alex Ronay's life effort to turn 1000 Fort into a Tudor village, it's my life goal to keep only the best tudor and make everything else unique, fun, funky and distinct.

... the Tudor stuff should probably disappear (save for one or two examples [please]).

I am not sure why kitschy, mock-Tudor facades need to be preserved. I'd much rather see superior examples of contemporary facades along this block (I agree with Rob's "funky" aesthetic) than some half-baked reference to a period that ended nearly 200 years before Europeans ever set foot in this part of the world.

Oh, OK. Their office used to be in the Mosaic building so they know the neighbourhood. Some firms have out-of-town offices and sometimes I doubt they've even set foot in Victoria but this one is good.

I am not sure why kitschy, mock-Tudor facades need to be preserved. I'd much rather see superior examples of contemporary facades along this block (I agree with Rob's "funky" aesthetic) than some half-baked reference to a period that ended nearly 200 years before Europeans ever set foot in this part of the world.

If it's a tudor, it's a tudor. There is no such thing as a mock-tudor. You are a person, not a mock-person just because you resemble a person from 100 years ago.

If what you think is logical, then everything in Victoria is a "mock" and deserves to be torn down, including the Empress and the BC Legislature. Might as well nuke the entire Old Town and replace with all your cookie cutter comtemporaries.

Edited by Vin, 16 August 2021 - 12:53 PM.

I guess it's time for me to give another architecture lesson.

^It's not even that complicated.

In art, if a style comes around again it's given a new name to differentiate it from the original. 

The 1926 Christ Church Cathedral on Quadra is Gothic Revival.

Come to think of it, 1926 was long after Gothic Revival went out of style so maybe our church is Neo-Gothic Revival? Some think that Merrick's design of the Sussex Building and Shoal Point are Gothic-inspired so is it Neo-Gothic Revival Revival?

If it's a tudor, it's a tudor. There is no such thing as a mock-tudor...

The Tudor period occurred between 1485 and 1603 in England and Wales and includes the Elizabethan period during the reign of Queen Elizabeth I until 1603. I am almost certain the Fort Street shops portraying this style are not quite that old. If they are, then by all means preserve them.

^It's not even that complicated.

In art, if a style comes around again it's given a new name to differentiate it from the original.

The 1926 Christ Church Cathedral on Quadra is Gothic Revival.

Come to think of it, 1926 was long after Gothic Revival went out of style so maybe our church is Neo-Gothic Revival? Some think that Merrick's design of the Sussex Building and Shoal Point are Gothic-inspired so is it Neo-Gothic Revival Revival?

Edited by Victoria Watcher, 16 August 2021 - 01:32 PM.

Part of the confusion is us using the term "mock Tudor". That phrase is mostly used in England so people don't mistake it for genuine Tudor buildings from the 1500s. The term we should be using here is "Tudor Revival" since there isn't any Tudor-era buildings in North America. 

There are some great Tudor Revival buildings in Victoria, however, the term "Tudorbethan" was coined to describe second-rate buildings where someone cheaply nailed some black boards on in order to make it look vaguely from the era. See: https://www.google.c...!7i13312!8i6656

Edited by Victoria Watcher, 16 August 2021 - 01:40 PM.

If it's a tudor, it's a tudor. There is no such thing as a mock-tudor. You are a person, not a mock-person just because you resemble a person from 100 years ago.

 

If what you think is logical, then everything in Victoria is a "mock" and deserves to be torn down, including the Empress and the BC Legislature. Might as well nuke the entire Old Town and replace with all your cookie cutter comtemporaries.

I've got a Picasso replica for sale if you're interested.

^Which one? The bike and shoe stores are really good, I like it. Tudor influenced by the Arts and Crafts style.

https://victoriaheri...n/Fort1023.html

https://archives.vic...5-fort-street-2

Edited by Rob Randall, 16 August 2021 - 02:09 PM.

I'm as density bro as they come but I do find myself struggling with this one. Jawl's are exceptional developers, Cascadia are talented designers...but I love these buildings haha! I find their scale, detail, and materiality border on cartoonish but overall these things work together for a fantastic composition of human friendly retail design. The redevelopment will alter that forever and that's part of what makes a city...a city. it's unrealistic that they will remain like this forever but I think its still ok to mourn their "loss".