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#5841 Victoria Watcher

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Posted 06 September 2025 - 03:54 AM

Double standard from Victoria councillor

 

 

A Victoria city councillors is a neighbour, and in their household of two people, they have two cars.

 

That city councillor drives his car everywhere, including to his job. Where do the councillors and mayor park while they are making decisions to reduce ­parking?

 

This councillor drives his car to his job every day, never taking public transit. His car is not parked at his home while he is working.

 

Double standards? Of course.

 

Renay Turner

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Posted 06 September 2025 - 05:15 AM

The City of Victoria is about to embark on a round of public engagement on one of the most divisive topics any municipality can wade into – parking.

 

Stakeholder groups will be asked for their thoughts on a series of recommendations for overhauling parking policies to make the city less car-focused and more open to different mobility options.

 

Those recommendations include reduced off-street parking requirements for new developments — and potentially eventually no minimum parking for new housing projects — as well as an updated and expanded parking permit system for residential areas, and expanded metered parking outside of downtown.

 

Mayor Marianne Alto quipped that the one thing she was warned about when she first considered running for council was that there would never be a day when someone didn’t speak to her about parking. “That has absolutely been the case.”

 

Alto said while she has some reservations about the staff recommendations, it’s time for the public to have its say before council makes any decisions.

 

Coun. Krista Loughton stressed that any parking changes will be phased in over time and no big changes will be coming immediately.

 

Coun. Dave Thompson said the parking regulatory system needs to change as the city changes.

 

“We have more basement suites, more homes being duplexed and triplexed, there’s more people in our residential areas, and there’s more people in our built-up areas, there’s more cars, there’s more traffic, more need for accessible parking, more EV chargers needed,” he said, adding: “We need more buses, we need more loading zones.”

 

Coun. Matt Dell rejected the notion that the proposals are “anti car” or “anti parking,” noting the city still has 76,000 parking spaces.

 

 

 

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#5843 rjag

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Posted 06 September 2025 - 11:18 AM

somehow I dont see this as a reduction in people owning and driving within the Muni. I have to challenge where they obtained the data that 40% of households dont have a car....
 
From ICBC Data –
Victoria Municipality Driver Licenses -
In 2020 66,276 Class 1-8 and 57,615 had class 5 &/or 6 License
In 2024 69,057 Class 1-8 and 59,963 had class 5 &/or 6 License
Victoria Municipality Vehicle policies in force
In 2020 55,257 of which 43,920 were passenger vehicles
In 2024 56,991 of which 45,396 were passenger vehicles
Population of Victoria in 2020 - 96,399 and 2024 – 102,856
(Prov of BC Pop.Estimates)
 
Keep in mind the population figures include children under 16, homeless shelters and care home residents

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#5844 Tony

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Posted 06 September 2025 - 12:31 PM

We need smarter solutions to parking problems  
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A commentary by the executive director of the Victoria Transport Policy Institute, an independent research organization dedicated to developing innovative solutions to transport problems.

 

The Aug. 31 Times Colonist article “Overhaul could make parking a lot harder to find” is nothing but fear-mongering.

Contrary to what it implies, proposed parking reforms can benefit everybody, including motorists.

 

Our parking needs are changing. Driving has peaked and continues to decline in cities that invest in non-auto modes.

According to Capital Regional District travel surveys, the number of trips we make has declined by about a quarter, from 3.5 daily trips per capita in 2006 to just 2.6 in 2022.

 

Vehicle ownership is also declining, and a quarter of Victoria households are now car-free.

It would be wasteful and unfair to ignore these trends and not reform parking policies.

There is no war on cars. Contrary to critics’ claims, Victoria’s reforms will not eliminate parking or driving. Residents can build as much parking as they want and motorists can drive to virtually any destination, provided they are willing to bear the costs.

 

Parking is never really free, the choice is between paying directly through user fees or indirectly through higher housing costs (for residential parking), higher taxes (for free on street parking) and higher retail prices (a restaurant meal costs a couple of dollars more if parking is provided without charge for customers who drive).

 

It is time to reduce excessive parking subsidies.

Parking is far more costly than most people realize. Constructing a driveway and two car garage typically costs more than $60,000, and a single underground space more than $80,000. Many parking spaces cost more than the vehicles they serve.

Off-street parking mandates add 15% to 20% to housing costs. Cities that reform parking policies have seen large increases in lower-priced housing development.

If Victoria wants to be more affordable, we must reform parking mandates, so car-free households are no longer forced to pay for costly parking they don’t need.

 

Off-street parking also increases pavement, which displaces greenspace and increases stormwater management costs. A typical driveway and garage add more than 500 square feet of impervious surface, leaving homes with less space for trees and gardens.

 

If we want a greener and cooler city, and cleaner water, we must reform parking policies.

Driveways also endanger pedestrians, particularly when vehicles back across sidewalks. If we want safer walking, we must reform parking policies.

 

Of course, transportation policies must balance the needs of different travel modes. Although some trips are best made by automobile, that doesn’t mean that everybody should drive everywhere or parking should always be free.

 

Cities become more efficient, fair and livable if they minimize pavement and invest more in sidewalks, crosswalks, bikeways and public transit.

Yes, drivers sometimes have difficulty finding an unoccupied space, but there are better ways to solve this problem than simply expanding parking lots.

Smart cities use regulations and pricing to increase parking turnover in high demand areas so motorists, including delivery vehicles and people with disabilities, can always find a space.

 

If we want Victoria to be convenient for both drivers and non-drivers, we must squeeze more value from each parking space, so less land is paved, leaving more for what we want — homes, trees, greenspace and safe sidewalks.



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Posted 06 September 2025 - 01:48 PM

Perhaps the first question should be who is paying Todd Littman's income and what is that source of funds. I am always subspinous of these so called independent research groups especially since they seem to often be little more than paid lobbyists. 

 

Either disclose all of your groups source of funding or stop saying that you are someone independent and unbiased. If it sounds like spin it usually is just that.


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Posted 06 September 2025 - 01:52 PM

Todd Litman is a guy you engage when you want a very seriously slant.



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Posted 06 September 2025 - 02:02 PM

Perhaps the first question should be who is paying Todd Littman's income and what is that source of funds. I am always subspinous of these so called independent research groups especially since they seem to often be little more than paid lobbyists. 

 

Either disclose all of your groups source of funding or stop saying that you are someone independent and unbiased. If it sounds like spin it usually is just that.

Mr. Litman has worked as a research and planning consultant for a diverse range of clients,
including government agencies, professional organizations, developers and non-
government organizations. He has worked in more than two dozen countries, on every
continent except Antarctica.

 

https://www.vtpi.org...ents/resume.pdf



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Posted 06 September 2025 - 02:10 PM

Thanks Sparky, that suggests that he is likely anything but independent. Most great spin doctors also have a wide resume, it is how they make their living. I was asking for some proof of independence as was suggested by him.



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Posted 06 September 2025 - 02:15 PM

It will make properties with parking even more expensive….

#5850 Tony

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Posted 06 September 2025 - 02:31 PM

Interesting only one comment on what was said......it will make properties with parking more expensive.....  (Does that also mean that it may make properties without parking less expensive relatively? )

 

The rest of the comments are shoot the messenger. If you just shoot the messenger rather than interact with the comments/opinions/facts it is hard to have a discussion. Yes the source bias we all have is important but not totally alone I believe enough in most cases to discount out of hand the content.



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Posted 06 September 2025 - 03:06 PM

Interesting only one comment on what was said......it will make properties with parking more expensive.....  (Does that also mean that it may make properties without parking less expensive relatively? )

 

The rest of the comments are shoot the messenger. If you just shoot the messenger rather than interact with the comments/opinions/facts it is hard to have a discussion. Yes the source bias we all have is important but not totally alone I believe enough in most cases to discount out of hand the content.

 

Its hard to take anything Litman says seriously....this isnt shoot the messenger....theres no bias, he's so far out there and he has to blow his own horn in attempts to stay semi-relevant. You should ask him how many employees he has at his organization where theres a need to have such a title...



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Posted 06 September 2025 - 04:29 PM

The city has to take with parking in terms of keeping a real life balance rather than running with some academic theory. We have already seen a lot of business move to malls in Saanich or to Langford (especially Cosco). There is even business that has moved to Oak Bay.

 

From my own personal perspective (and not to argue about it), I have found that there is a rather arrogant underlying assumption in some quarters that everyone either needs or wants to be in the City of Victoria. If it was just me it would not matter but I know for a fact that a number of my neighbours have shifted their shopping and dining patterns away from downtown. Parking, congestion and the impact of bicycle lanes and traffic calming are far from the only issues but they add to a bunch of other issues.

 

I would be more impressed if all the city councilors gave up using cars and had no free parking. Hell, the Mayor does not even live in the city. Wonder if that shows she is smart?


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Posted 06 September 2025 - 05:55 PM

Actually, if they charged $50 a month how much revenue could be raised? Add ticketing revenue for parking without a sticker and this might be a lot of cash.

What a pain in the ass that would be.

 

Every time I go over to visit a friend and park on his street (which I wouldn't have a sticker for as I don't live there) I could get a ticket, which both my host and I would then have to go to city hall to dispute?  No bloody thanks.



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Posted 06 September 2025 - 06:02 PM

Interesting only one comment on what was said......it will make properties with parking more expensive.....  (Does that also mean that it may make properties without parking less expensive relatively? )

 

The rest of the comments are shoot the messenger. If you just shoot the messenger rather than interact with the comments/opinions/facts it is hard to have a discussion. Yes the source bias we all have is important but not totally alone I believe enough in most cases to discount out of hand the content.

Less expensive relatviely but not less expensive actually.  They'd stay the same (i.e., still unaffordable) while prices for places with parking included would rise.

 

Early in the article comes the claim "this is not a war on cars", followed by a whole lot of straight-up war-on-cars rhetoric.

 

"Residents can build as much parking as they want" is complete bollocks for anyone living in a multi-unit rental or strata set-up that's already built.



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Posted 06 September 2025 - 07:05 PM

Fog Pub: I assume that the residential parking permits would only be necessary for overnight (2:00 AM to 6:00 AM) as I have seen done elsewhere. Lets friends and trades park during the day and evenings.

 

It is not a war on cars as much as a war on poorer people. The well off and the political class will be fine.



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Posted 06 September 2025 - 07:38 PM

Current  housing, building and infrastructure is expected to be a long term investment........ 20....30...40+ years. Do you build for now, for what was .or for the future? Yes, it is a major challenge is to predict what that future will look like.

 

If...... big  if........for example  if in 20 years from now we have the availability of self driving cars  instead of taxis at a reasonable cost for personal use plus options like car sharing for out of town trips and the majority of people living down town do not have or see the need for individual car ownership ........ what are the implications if we maintain what was/is ..... 



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Posted 07 September 2025 - 06:57 AM



somehow I dont see this as a reduction in people owning and driving within the Muni. I have to challenge where they obtained the data that 40% of households dont have a car....


From ICBC Data –


Victoria Municipality Driver Licenses -


In 2020 66,276 Class 1-8 and 57,615 had class 5 &/or 6 License


In 2024 69,057 Class 1-8 and 59,963 had class 5 &/or 6 License


Victoria Municipality Vehicle policies in force


In 2020 55,257 of which 43,920 were passenger vehicles


In 2024 56,991 of which 45,396 were passenger vehicles


Population of Victoria in 2020 - 96,399 and 2024 – 102,856


(Prov of BC Pop.Estimates)


Keep in mind the population figures include children under 16, homeless shelters and care home residents


Indeed.

The whole region saw a 1.3% increase in insured vehicles between 2023-2024.

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Posted 07 September 2025 - 07:03 AM

Interesting only one comment on what was said......it will make properties with parking more expensive..... (Does that also mean that it may make properties without parking less expensive relatively? )

The rest of the comments are shoot the messenger. If you just shoot the messenger rather than interact with the comments/opinions/facts it is hard to have a discussion. Yes the source bias we all have is important but not totally alone I believe enough in most cases to discount out of hand the content.

Zero-parking drives up the cost of housing. I know that’s counter intuitive but read on.

We have not scientifically studied that effect, at least not that I have seen, because it would derail the notion that no-parking = more affordable housing.

Virtually nobody will sell or rent a home without parking, at a base rate exactly equal to a unit with parking (I’m talking about packaged units or rentals, not when parking is an add-on monthly cost). The no-parking rate will almost always (I say almost to be generous) edge higher towards the cost of a unit with parking, and eventually the gap gets so close, than the unit with parking will push up the gap, as there is a tangible value to the parking stall so the seller will differentiate themselves. The cycle repeats with every valuation increase period.

I have yet to encounter a re-sale of a unit without parking that is priced lower than a unit with parking, by the exact or greater parking stall cost as the difference in price, all other factors being equal.

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Posted 07 September 2025 - 07:36 AM

Interesting only one comment on what was said......it will make properties with parking more expensive..... (Does that also mean that it may make properties without parking less expensive relatively? )

The rest of the comments are shoot the messenger. If you just shoot the messenger rather than interact with the comments/opinions/facts it is hard to have a discussion. Yes the source bias we all have is important but not totally alone I believe enough in most cases to discount out of hand the content.

No. Those properties will be more expensive just without parking. The ones with parking will be even more expensive proportionally. Scarcity it a basic principle.

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Posted 07 September 2025 - 08:23 AM

Some new information for me..... some parking spaces are individually titled with added taxes and maintenance fees attached... they may be bought and sold individually.

 

Some information on the potential value of parking spaces ......and unit price differences

 

A Victoria focused analysis...  https://househuntvic...ost-of-parking/

 

A Toronto focus.........https://pierrecarape...enting-parking/

 

Calgary focus......types of parking spaces rights of use.....https://www.bestcalg...-calgary-condo/

 

Sydney, Australia focus.......   https://propertyupda...ng-space-worth/



 



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