@mysage: yes, that is what I'm advocating. adding more and more roads to alleviate congestion makes NO SENSE. we need to instead encourage people to take public transit, bike, walk, and densify areas that are already built. read this: http://en.wikipedia..../Induced_demand
I agree, some people need cars to help them do their daily activities. however, what if you lived in a place where you could walk a block to get groceries, and take public transit 10 blocks to your kids soccer game? what would you need a car for then? so yes, people are being selfish and lazy. they are putting their own ridiculous need for space and extragavance over being sensible and living in a compact urban area.
I agree with the part about the rezoing process and community leagues, but that's why more people need to be educated on the benefits of true urban living. They need to stop being afraid of everything and realize that density will only improve things in the long run. it will make neighbourhoods safer, more diverse, and much more convenient.
Again, education. People don't understand how this adversely effects the local economy and environment.
Victoria has nowhere near the demand or size of those places and won't EVER. if there are benefits for developers to develop affordable MFD's we will be able to fit a lot more people int he sapce we have. The Victoria metro could easily double it's population without increasing it's border or building out.
Good luck with a toll? thats your arguement?
You sound like you're living in the 60's still where people weren't able to grasp the idea that we don't have unlimited resources and land. I suggest you should go back to one of the fine institutions in this city and take a basic geography class and realize just how naive you and most in this thread sound.
@Maverick: first off, learn how to form proper sentences. what are you even trying to argue? your post is barely comprehensible. you don't understand that developments like Skirt Mountain NEGATIVELY effect your taxes because of the maintenance of new roads, sewers, etc. The people who are accountable for this awful mess are those who started it in the first place.
@guyinthesky/mysage in regards to the gas tax: this is riduculous. you can't afford to drive your kids soccer team to Nanaimo but I'm sure you can afford a TV, cable, a computer, internet, a house, etc. maybe think about how many things we have and don't need and then see if you can afford it. guyinthesky, maybe a gas tax would encourage companies to start looking at buying more fuel efficient vehicles or using the vechicles only when necessary or a few million less dollars for some CEO's salary. business wouldn't be hurt by a gas tax, it would only hurt some greedy tyrants wallet.
@rjag: first off, do you have any idea who Karl Marx is? what was that even a reference to? Yes, it is those people fault. They insist on living out there, driving their cars, and living very materialistic. the jealously comment is unbelievable. you're a sad, pathetic person if you think that the "things" someone has its what important. materialistic and pathetic.
Ok I will respond to those areas that you have addressed to me:
- to advocate the building of no more roads is simply naive.No one is advocating building more roads to simply ease congestion. More roads are needed to handle the traffic that is generated by more people living in any given area. Mass transit is needed even more but have you ever been to London ,New York, or Paris? Mass transport is used by milllons daily but the roadways are still clogged. That will not change as Vancouver Island is a desirable place to live no matter what. Move on to something that will actually work and drop this "theory".
_ I have lived in Gastown, Yaletown, and downtown Victoria. Your Utopian version of density,convenience and urban living is flawed by human nature. Living in those areas for years,my kids and I were exposed to graffiti/vandalisim, drugs, drunkeness, serious crime and the like on a daily basis. Living in a dense urban setting may be your version of heaven but it is not mine. Who are you to tell me my version of life for my family is based upon my " ridiculous need for space and extravagence over being sensible and living in compact areas"? Your statement is arrogance in its purest form.
- If you think that Metro Victoria could double its density without building out you are probably right. In fact it could quadruple its density and then we would start to look like Hong Kong,or New York, or other areas where people want to live but can't find the space without going up. Have you checked out the social ills in those areas? Have you checked out the size, style and price of properties in those areas? Is this your version of life for the future of Victorians? Have you actually gone out to the Western Communities and seen the style and size and price of the vast majority of the housing being built. With the exception of Bear Mountain and more affluent neighbourhoods such as those the vast majority of new housing is in small single family homes and four story condominium buildings. To service these homes Langford has done an excellent job of providing social support by way of activity infrastructure, shopping access and the like. You may call it "urban sprawl" but the vast majority call it community building.
- I should go back to "one of the fine institutions in this city " and take lessons? It seems to me that you should get out of whatever "fine institution" you are attending and get some real life experience. You seem like a student who has attended some rallies and listened to some theories but really has no life experience. Once your spouse wants to feel safe when out walking the dog at night, once your kids want to play in their own back yard and once you want to send them to safe playgrounds and good schools you will change your tune about the Utopia of living in dense,diverse, and "convenient" areas. Until this happens you are welcome to live downtown and enjoy its ambiance but don't try to tell me that I should do the same.
- Your statement lumping TVs, internet, a computer and a house as perhaps things that I can afford but need to rethink whether they are necessary or not is ridiculous. I hope that you have a job and work hard to pay for the computer and the internet you are using to post on this forum. If not, then maybe they are a "luxury" you can't afford.
- Finally your statement that "business wouldn't be hurt by a gas tax, it would only hurt some greedy tyrants wallet" exposes either your naive views on how the world really works or exposes your political leanings that view all those who work and or succeed as the enemy. Which is it?
To wrap this up why don't you go to the "Housing Bubble" section on this forum. There you will find many articulate, and intelligent people who have diverse views but are able to present their arguments in a coherent and reasoned manner. I suggest that you take some lessons.