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[HB]

Nice Property great views but destined to become a white elephant

 

Pics from today

 

 

 

[On the Level]

So according to the article in the TC, they can't run the sewage line from clover point to Mclaughlin for fear of disturbing the contaminated seabed?

[JohnN]

Important for her credibility that "Gudgeon stressed that she supports building a sewage-treatment plant." because if you were to agree with the marine scientists and public health officials that a sewage plant won't be an environmental asset but just an expensive, sludge-producing burden, then who would take you seriously?

Excerpts:
“I’m urging everyone to attend,” said former Victoria councillor Shellie Gudgeon, a Vic West resident, who said she’s worried odour standards being set for the new plant’s operations aren’t rigorous enough.

“It concerns me tremendously for the quality of life for the neighbourhoods of Vic West, James Bay and downtown,” Gudgeon said. She said odours are still an occasional problem with the small Dockside Green sewage treatment plant and those types of issues, if not addressed now, could become larger with the regional plant planned for McLoughlin Point.

Gudgeon stressed that she supports building a sewage-treatment plant.

Meeting to air worries about sewage-treatment project 
http://www.timescolo...ject-1.13289207

[Mike K.]

Gudgeon says that the CRD has quietly removed the 'zero' smell caveat to a '5,' whatever that means, but zero smell is no longer on the table which she believes is a huge cost cutting measure as the CRD realizes the costs to build the plant have already jumped.

[JohnN]

Excerpt:
John Gunton, a panellist, said the $765-million project is a foregone conclusion but people can still voice their opinions. “The ship has sailed on the sewage plant,” he said. “Let’s make sure it goes in the right direction and doesn’t founder.” Gunton said the project has been 10 years in the making but he has questions about the overall design. He said there hasn’t been enough consideration given to the communities that will be affected. Vic West, James Bay, Fairfield and downtown residents helped organize the meeting.

Residents rankled by McLoughlin sewage-plant disruptions: 
http://www.timescolo...ions-1.13558319

 

Couple of photos at the meeting: 

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[On the Level]

This has more to do with Gudgeon wanting a run at the next election than it does with sewage.

[JohnN]

This has more to do with Gudgeon wanting a run at the next election than it does with sewage.

Ok, but great that she chose the sewage project as part of her ramp-up for election because politicians do tend to make  statements and may take unexpected positions in order to get media attention. Example could be the 2012 Victoria byelection (image) where all candidates except NDP ended-up opposing the CRD sewage plant.: 

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[JohnN]

CFAX website news story, excerpt:

 

Concerns over the coming sewage treatment plant are "bubbling up."  That's how Wayne Shillington with the James Bay Neighbourhood Association described Thursday night's meeting of Victoria residents concerned with sewage treatment plans.

 

RANGE OF WORRIES EXPRESSED OVER SEWAGE PLANT:  http://www.iheartrad...plant-1.2510466

Edited by JohnN, 31 March 2017 - 01:17 PM.

[Cassidy]

For anybody who's ever had to get up from their table and leave the Vic West Foi Epi while eating their lunch - this to get away from the absolutely overwhelming stink that occasionally emanates from that Dockside Green mini sewage treatment plant - they'll know if that kind of odour is to be expected from the CRD sewage treatment plant ... we're in for quite the stinky ride for the next few decades - especially those folks living in James Bay, Esquimalt, Vic West and perhaps even downtown Victoria (depending on which way the wind blows).

 

Put simply, if Dockside Green is in any way a measuring stick for the "odour level" of the new treatment plant, or if Dockside is considered anywhere near a "5" (whatever that is) ... we're in big trouble.

[VicHockeyFan]

Harbour Resource Partners have been awarded a $272M contract.

[JohnN]

Excerpt from announcement today:

The first construction contract for the Wastewater Treatment Project has been awarded. Harbour Resource Partners has been awarded a $272 million contract to build the wastewater treatment plant at McLoughlin Point, which includes the construction of three main components:

 

A 108 MI/d tertiary wastewater treatment plant located at McLoughlin Point;

a cross-harbour undersea forcemain between Ogden Point and McLoughlin Point; and

a marine outfall for treated wastewater at McLoughlin Point.

Harbour Resource Partners were selected by the Wastewater Treatment Project through a competitive selection process and is a consortium of experienced firms including AECOM Canada, Graham Infrastructure, HDR|CEI, SUEZ, Graham Capital and Michels Canada.

 

Construction will begin in April on the McLoughlin Point Wastewater Treatment Plant. This component of the Wastewater Treatment Project is being funded by the Government of Canada, the Government of British Columbia and the CRD core area municipalities.

 

https://www.crd.bc.c...ontract-awarded

 

 

 

 

 

[JohnN]

Excerpt:

 

The contract to build the McLoughlin Point sewage-treatment plant has been awarded to the same consortium that was selected for the job in 2014, before that project collapsed. And it will cost another $37 million.

 

$272-million contract award for McLoughlin sewage plant, up $37 million:

http://www.timescolo...lion-1.14278534

[sebberry]

^ But it's coming with better treatment?

[JohnN]

In January 2016, Times Colonist said that tendered bit to build McLoughlin sewage plant was for $179 million, so if thats true, and if contract now is $272 million, wouldnt cost be up $93 million (52%)?:

 

Excerpt from January 27, 2016 TC news:

The CRD abandoned plans to build at McLoughlin after Esquimalt refused to grant needed variances to zoning and the province refused to override that decision. Overall costs of that plan were estimated at $788 million, including a tendered bid to build at McLoughlin for $179 million.

http://www.timescolo...plant-1.2160542

[Sparky]

John, do you happen to know if the successful bidders submitted pricing in accordance with plans, specifications, and addenda.....or is this a design build project?

[JohnN]

John, do you happen to know if the successful bidders submitted pricing in accordance with plans, specifications, and addenda.....or is this a design build project?

Sorry, I don't know that at this time. However, even if a design-build project, I would think that the estimate would need to meet Project Board's plans. Nevertheless, the Harbour Resource Partners' history (prior submission in 2014 followed by the December 29,2015 HRP letter to CRD to reiterate its interest in submitting new bid), might suggest the possibility that Project Board could have revised its plans to meet HRB's offer? 

[spanky123]

 

Excerpt:

 

The contract to build the McLoughlin Point sewage-treatment plant has been awarded to the same consortium that was selected for the job in 2014, before that project collapsed. And it will cost another $37 million.

 

$272-million contract award for McLoughlin sewage plant, up $37 million:

http://www.timescolo...lion-1.14278534

 

 

So much for Desjardins' claims that waiting didn't cost any extra money.

[JohnN]

So much for Desjardins' claims that waiting didn't cost any extra money.

Seems a bit odd that the story says the estimated $37 million increase is attributed to tertiary-stage treatment being added on because I think that tertiary was implied as a part of HRP's December, 2016 letter to CRD (pages 402-405 in agenda package). HRP was offering a higher level of treatment than what the Rock Bay option was promising, suggesting that HRP was offering tertiary. However, some of the issue is that tertiary can be 100% of sewage flow treatment, or only a part of the flow. 

 

Perhaps part of the increase might be the cost of securing First Nations' consent for the project (which I think might add up to about $5 million). Its possible that if the project had started promptly in or about 2013, the actual cost could have been lower. However, its also possible that paying for guaranteed FN consent might have erupted as an unplanned expense and delay itself. 

[JohnN]

Excerpts:

Councillors Jeremy Loveday, Ben Isitt and Margaret Lucas want the wastewater treatment project board to negotiate with contractor Harbour Resource Partners to ensure “enforceable performance standards” are in place once the project is built to ensure odour levels do not exceed two odour units.

...The councillors also want the board to investigate and report back on the advisability and cost of reducing treatment-plant operating noise levels to 55 decibels.

...The three councillors are also calling for more consultation with James Bay, Vic West, Fairfield and downtown residents on mitigating the impact of construction of the Clover Point pump station and sewage mains, and close monitoring of geotechnical issues along the Dallas Road waterfront where the piping from the Clover Point pump station is to be buried so that the public can be apprised of any issues that arise. -

 

More stringent odour limits proposed for sewage plant

http://www.timescolo...lant-1.14870276

 

 

 

 

[Mike K.]

So we've gone from zero, to three, now we're negotiating for two.

Oh oh.