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#1 Baro

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Posted 16 August 2006 - 10:17 PM

Well today me and my friend decided to make a burger king run like we've done a few times. I've always found the highways out there to seem a little over-sized.

I knew logically that there was a thing called the "crawl" and a few times driving out there around 6:30 I found traffic a little anoying, but who cares!

So, this time we decided to go around 4:30... big mistake.

It was stop and go (more stop, less go) from town and country all the way to the last set of lights before burger king. I know a thing or two about traffic flow and planning, and could clearly see the problem: a huge intersection where an interchange is needed. I'm not sure the name of it.. by that hospital way out of town. I'm sure I'm tellng what everyone here who actually drives farther than rockland to downtown knows...

So, things are horrible as is durring rush hour, how the **** is that poor highway going to cope when 50,000 or what ever new drivers are added way out there??

I know bear mountain is building an interchange of some sort, but it seems the problems are the first two intersections when you curve left from town and country.

So what's going to be done??
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#2 Scaper

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Posted 16 August 2006 - 10:20 PM

Exactly...It's hell!!!

The one intersection past the Millstream connector is Spencer Road. And yes when the new Bear Mountain overpass is built it is staying a stop light!!!

What amazing planning.

The other two roads are Tillicum and Mckenzie that need to be addressed. These are the two major intersections that are after town and country.

#3 Baro

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Posted 16 August 2006 - 11:00 PM

Seriously, traffic flow is a dead stop there. How can this not be addressed in the current situation, let alone adding up to a hundred thousand out there?
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#4 Scaper

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Posted 16 August 2006 - 11:25 PM

My solution....build a bridge from the end of esquimalt rd. to Colwood.

Problem solved...three main routes out of town.

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Posted 17 August 2006 - 06:59 AM

Yes, I thought the same thing. But there is no way that Esquimalt Road can handle those volumes once they get onto the other side.

Craigflower is also busting at the seams with people trying to avoid the TCH.

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Posted 17 August 2006 - 07:27 AM

What they need to do is: put overpasses in at Tillicum and Mackenzie. Build Scaper's Bridge and four lane Craigflower into town. But in addition need to build some serious LRT in this town.

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#7 Baro

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Posted 17 August 2006 - 10:30 AM

I'm a huge fan of trains, monorails, choo choo's of all types, but I really think more busses and some more bus lanes would really better serve victoria, at least in its current stage.
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#8 Mike K.

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Posted 17 August 2006 - 02:25 PM

The LRT should run down Esquimalt Road and through to Colwood via a new bridge as G once suggested. Running it from downtown, through T&C, and then west is ridiculous seeing as there's barely any density along that route and its unnecessarily long.

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Posted 17 August 2006 - 02:27 PM

Yup!

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#10 Scaper

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Posted 17 August 2006 - 06:46 PM

The LRT should run down Esquimalt Road and through to Colwood via a new bridge as G once suggested. Running it from downtown, through T&C, and then west is ridiculous seeing as there's barely any density along that route and its unnecessarily long.



Though unlike our communter train now....this train should actually come into town in the morning!! and leave town at 5:00!!

#11 Mike K.

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Posted 17 August 2006 - 09:13 PM

...or we could use the existing E&N track. It'd be brilliant.

High-density growth occurs near transit nodes, according to our transit authority and many experts on municipal issues. So with the creation of a BRT along the proposed LRT route, growth will inevitably occur. Since the growth or population isn't there yet, why can't they simply encourage more high-density growth along the E&N? Langford is already doing that with th Westhills development and another Langford subdevelopment with 1000 homes is even building a station for the train. It's obvious they could use the existing track through ESQ and View Royal but they've come up with arbitrary reasons not to. :smt102

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#12 Savannah

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Posted 27 October 2006 - 06:23 PM

Let's see... I passed the Town and Country mall today at 5:32 pm. Got home in Langford about 6:07, if I remember correctly. I'm sure that's a commute people in the US or Toronto would laugh at, but it's a total crawl from T & C until Helmken. It's the Admirals and the Tillicum intersections that do it. On a weekend or mid-day, it's a twelve-minute drive my home to the office.

With the incredible growth in the Western Communities, it's going to get worse...

#13 m0nkyman

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Posted 27 October 2006 - 06:50 PM

Hmm, so you're thinking a bridge about here:

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#14 G-Man

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Posted 27 October 2006 - 07:21 PM

That is the spot!

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Posted 02 November 2006 - 09:47 AM

Well today me and my friend decided to make a burger king run like we've done a few times. I've always found the highways out there to seem a little over-sized.

I knew logically that there was a thing called the "crawl" and a few times driving out there around 6:30 I found traffic a little anoying, but who cares!

So, this time we decided to go around 4:30... big mistake.

It was stop and go (more stop, less go) from town and country all the way to the last set of lights before burger king. I know a thing or two about traffic flow and planning, and could clearly see the problem: a huge intersection where an interchange is needed. I'm not sure the name of it.. by that hospital way out of town. I'm sure I'm tellng what everyone here who actually drives farther than rockland to downtown knows...

So, things are horrible as is durring rush hour, how the **** is that poor highway going to cope when 50,000 or what ever new drivers are added way out there??

I know bear mountain is building an interchange of some sort, but it seems the problems are the first two intersections when you curve left from town and country.

So what's going to be done??

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Have any of you visited Los Angeles? It metro area has about 8000000 people, to Victoria's 350000. People there have to drive 3-4 hours just to get to work at the other end of town. The freeways are like Mayfair Mall's parking lot during Xmas rush.

Victoria will eventually join the major CDN cities in the Big Leagues. With it will come bigger thrills and more traffic blockage. You will all have to go to work 1+ hours earlier.

I tend to drive aggressively in my turns and lane changes, or I'll get stuck before the next traffic light. Bigger cities hassles require more guts and balls of steel to navigate.

#16 G-Man

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Posted 02 November 2006 - 09:51 AM

I think we need to act proactively so we never achieve the traffic of other biger cities. More transit, better planning. Less people in the burbs.

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#17 m0nkyman

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Posted 02 November 2006 - 10:36 AM

The key is making public transit useful enough that taking it is preferable to sitting in traffic. Part of that is making it nice enough that you don't get the class issue that exists in LA. Everybody but the limo set takes the subway in NYC, but only the poor use public transit in LA. Traffic is bad in NYC, but not legendary like the freeways of LA.

We need to plan now for LRT from Sooke to Schwarz Bay. We need a bus system that radiates from nodes along the LRT, and is structured to make it easy to use for both commuting and banking but also for local errands like grocery shopping and banking.

We need to start planning now for when this becomes an area that houses a million people. It's probablty only about fifty years from now...

Getting the Right of Way from Sooke to downtown, and then up the Saanich Peninsula is not going to be cheap, and it'll keep getting more expensive.

#18 Savannah

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Posted 02 November 2006 - 01:48 PM

I would hope on light rail from Langford to Douglas Street happily. I need my car two or three days a week for work-related purposes (honest) but the rest of the time, it's a complete waste of time and resources to have one person sitting in a vehicle for an hour a day.

Is it just me, or did the Crawl just get noticably worse in the last week/two weeks? It was before the time change, but well after the start of the school year.

#19 TheVisionary

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Posted 03 November 2006 - 01:24 AM

Maybe it's all those people trying to get the to Great Canadian Casino before someone wins all the money? Then they have to get over to Burger King with their winnings for lunch. At the same time, drivers are going east and west to and from business.

#20 Savannah

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Posted 03 November 2006 - 07:18 AM

The Colwood Crawl in three year's time?



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