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#21 G-Man

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Posted 28 November 2008 - 01:41 PM

I think they are very different topics this one being about wood vs concrete and I think the arguments presented recently are valid.

Also I believe this was a hive off of a discussion of a four storey building being built on Gorge Road which somepeople argued was bad because it was wood frame.

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Posted 14 November 2014 - 01:00 PM

This is something that has always bothered me.  Look how beautiful this house is.  But look how freaking UGLY that wall is.

 

What gives?

 

 

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Posted 14 November 2014 - 01:07 PM

This is something that has always bothered me.  Look how beautiful this house is.  But look how freaking UGLY that wall is...

Good point. About $1000 of stone veneer would make a remarkable difference to that wall.



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Posted 14 November 2014 - 01:09 PM

Good point. About $1000 of stone veneer would make a remarkable difference to that wall.

 

Just about anything would.  Climbing vines, heck, even paint.  How can the homeowner not see that?


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Posted 14 November 2014 - 01:11 PM

None are so blind as those who will not see.



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Posted 14 November 2014 - 03:26 PM

Well the place is obviously a dilapidated eyesore.  I'll submit my offer for $250,000 for the home as it clearly needs a ton of repairs.


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#27 Mike K.

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Posted 14 November 2014 - 03:31 PM

Some viny plants could cover that wall right up right quick. No biggie.

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Posted 14 November 2014 - 04:21 PM

There's a new home being built on Maplewood (between Tattersall and Cedar Hill X) that is using the Logix system - I must admit, it interested me - I'd love to talk to someone about the pros/cons (not a sales guy please!).



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Posted 14 November 2014 - 06:12 PM

I must admit, it interested me - I'd love to talk to someone about the pros/cons (not a sales guy please!).

 

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Posted 14 November 2014 - 06:51 PM

He wants unbiased info and first hand account.  I never trust anything a salesman says, less so than even a politician.

Logix and other companies make very big claims, but for the most part their claims are true.  The energy savings alone pay for them selves over time, that time though depends on a lot of things from climate to the design and heating of your house.  A logix rep making a pitch to me said about 6 years, which seems amazing, but from talking with some builders that have used it they say the time frame is longer.  Most people also don't build their entire house out of them, maybe just do the basement or the first story.  I think they're a great idea, if you plan on living in your home for a decade or more it's worth doing.  Most people only care about the purchase/construction cost and don't ever factor upkeep or utilities in.  Insulating concrete forms are also big labour savers as it's your form-work and insulation in one.  If I was building a house and had the money I'd absolutely go insulating concrete forms of some brand.  But for most people they can't afford that extra 20-50k or how ever much the blocks add to their cost, they rather put that money into a bigger house, or less debt.


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#31 VicHockeyFan

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Posted 14 November 2014 - 06:56 PM

He wants unbiased info and first hand account.  I never trust anything a salesman says, less so than even a politician.

 

So you've never bought a car, a fridge, a computer, a TV, a blender, based at least somewhat on what the salesperson said to you?  That's pretty cynical.  The best salespeople are your best resource when making a purchase.

 

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#32 Baro

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Posted 14 November 2014 - 07:10 PM

Always independent research.  I'll take what they say as a starting point, but the bigger the purchase the harder I'll search.  If the salesperson isn't commission and aren't representing a single brand (as in their shop sells a variety) I might take their advice, but even for something like a blender I'll always read reviews first. I wouldn't listen to a word a car salesman or realtor or appliance/electronics salesman told me, way too big a purchase and their interests conflict with mine (they want to make the biggest profit, I want to spend the least money and get the best product).

 

Identify a need, research the best solutions, find the best price, purchase.  The lies and manipulation of marketing are mostly avoided (none of us are fully immune, and marketers are doing their best to manipulate via social media, fake reviews and so on).  


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Posted 14 November 2014 - 08:08 PM

He wants unbiased info and first hand account.  I never trust anything a salesman says, less so than even a politician.

Logix and other companies make very big claims, but for the most part their claims are true.  The energy savings alone pay for them selves over time, that time though depends on a lot of things from climate to the design and heating of your house.  A logix rep making a pitch to me said about 6 years, which seems amazing, but from talking with some builders that have used it they say the time frame is longer.  Most people also don't build their entire house out of them, maybe just do the basement or the first story.  I think they're a great idea, if you plan on living in your home for a decade or more it's worth doing.  Most people only care about the purchase/construction cost and don't ever factor upkeep or utilities in.  Insulating concrete forms are also big labour savers as it's your form-work and insulation in one.  If I was building a house and had the money I'd absolutely go insulating concrete forms of some brand.  But for most people they can't afford that extra 20-50k or how ever much the blocks add to their cost, they rather put that money into a bigger house, or less debt.

You should definitely trust a salesperson, more often then not, they really do have your best interest in mind. As you mentioned, doing your independent research is really important and Im glad you do (especially with higher priced good), not enough people do, but disregarding them from the beginning is immature and inappropriate.  

Anywho thats not very important. Regarding your question LocalMom Logix, or ICF (Insulted Concrete Forms) are fantastic. I have dealt with them many times in the construction of single family homes, in fact, I have also used them on large scale agricultural storage facilities. They are incredibly efficient, have a high "r" rating, are very easy to install and  help save you money on construction costs as you do not need to spend time/money insulting with traditional insulation or build forms for the concrete. 

 


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#34 VicHockeyFan

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Posted 14 November 2014 - 10:45 PM

Any salesperson that is not on commission or bonus is just an "order taker" and is likely the worst person able to help with your purchase.
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Posted 14 November 2014 - 10:59 PM

Any salesperson that is not on commission or bonus is just an "order taker" and is likely the worst person able to help with your purchase.

Haha that is way too broad to have any legitimacy and you know that. 


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#36 dasmo

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Posted 15 November 2014 - 01:08 AM

Lots of info online about ICF building. Google it and feast. I like the system myself...

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Posted 15 November 2014 - 02:27 AM

Haha that is way too broad to have any legitimacy and you know that.


I don't think it is. I can't think of any professional salespeople that are not on commission.
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Posted 07 December 2014 - 09:55 AM

Why.  Why.  Why?  Now I suppose they are waiting for some flora growth in the beds, but really, why the concrete backyard?  No growth is coming up from the grass adjacent to the concrete.  Are those wall, on either side of both staircases ever going to look good?  I think they will have weedwacker green grass stains on them at about 4" up all summer, and water marks all winter from the top, and black mould from the bottom always coming up.. 

 

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#39 dasmo

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Posted 07 December 2014 - 10:22 AM

And I guess we can conclude that being a builder in Victoria is very profitable despite claims otherwise...

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Posted 07 December 2014 - 12:09 PM

I could see if the house was concrete or some modern or brutalist design that matched the landscaping, but the house its self can't seem to decide what style of materials its going for, let alone the landscaping. 


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