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#261 HB

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Posted 17 October 2014 - 10:38 PM

View Royal has so many advantages over the downtown site and the  number one advantage is parking parking parking



#262 VicHockeyFan

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Posted 18 October 2014 - 03:47 AM

View Royal has so many advantages over the downtown site and the  number one advantage is parking parking parking

 

Whatever, I hear this kind of thing all the time, it's bunk.  Esp. for tourists.

 

Some no-parking acheivements:

 

Milestone's Inner Harbour is the highest-grossing Milestones in the chain.  Zero parking.

Strathcona Hotel is the highest-selling bar/restaurant in the city.  Zero parking.

Victoria's harbour airport is the second-busiest in Canada, no free parking.

Cactus Club Victoria, #4 in the chain, no parking.

Chataeu Victoria, Empress and Executive House all have less parking stalls available than rooms.

 

What's all the other advantages, History Buff?


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#263 Coreyburger

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Posted 18 October 2014 - 10:10 AM

Whatever, I hear this kind of thing all the time, it's bunk.  Esp. for tourists.

 

Some no-parking acheivements:

 

Milestone's Inner Harbour is the highest-grossing Milestones in the chain.  Zero parking.

 

Milestone's actaully used to be a parking garage, so it is not only zero parking, it actually reduced the parking in the area when that development went in (which yes, was before Milestones, but still)



#264 HB

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Posted 18 October 2014 - 11:00 AM

Whatever, I hear this kind of thing all the time, it's bunk.  Esp. for tourists.

 

Some no-parking acheivements:

 

Milestone's Inner Harbour is the highest-grossing Milestones in the chain.  Zero parking.

Strathcona Hotel is the highest-selling bar/restaurant in the city.  Zero parking.

Victoria's harbour airport is the second-busiest in Canada, no free parking.

Cactus Club Victoria, #4 in the chain, no parking.

Chataeu Victoria, Empress and Executive House all have less parking stalls available than rooms.

 

What's all the other advantages, History Buff?

 I was talking about the Casino subject so if you want to go off in a random direction you can make anything sound good

 

Here i will add one more.....

 

Himalaya Mountains great hiking no parking lots



#265 LJ

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Posted 18 October 2014 - 03:55 PM

IMO, a casino is the ONLY reason non-residents go to View Royal, so I would imagine The Crystal Casino would attract Victorians as well as visitors.

I went into VR casino once, what a depressing and ugly place it is. At least in Vegas they have grand foyers and hallways etc.


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#266 Mike K.

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Posted 18 October 2014 - 04:08 PM

I poked in there once as well. Sad place. And what's worse is you step out onto the "Colwood Strip" and realize what a terrible mistake you've made leaving downtown.

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#267 Nparker

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Posted 18 October 2014 - 04:20 PM

So the location and ambiance of  The Crystal Casino should work in its favour then.



#268 RFS

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Posted 18 October 2014 - 10:37 PM

Is there anything to suggest a casino is being considered for this space or is this purely speculation?



#269 VicHockeyFan

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Posted 19 October 2014 - 05:30 AM

Is there anything to suggest a casino is being considered for this space or is this purely speculation?

 

Just idle speculation.


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#270 Nparker

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Posted 23 October 2014 - 11:34 AM

From CFAX: http://www.cfax1070....-Crystal-Garden
 

October 23, 2014 10:23

 
City Hall has received three different expressions of interest from potential users of the Crystal Garden. The city says inquiries have been made by Butterfly Gardens; Macaloney Brewers and Distillers, and Oceans Network Canada. How the city will proceed to assess the proposals is under discussion at a Council committee meeting today.

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Posted 23 October 2014 - 11:46 AM

Now, is this going to take over the existing conference centre space in the CG or just a portion of it so the City can still use it for overflow conventions? I'm not sure about these proposals. I presume Oceans Network wants to build some sort of attraction like the Shaw Discovery Centre? Butterfly Gardens sounds like a less interesting version of the zoo that used to be there.


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Posted 23 October 2014 - 11:48 AM

Butterfly Gardens is good where it is because a majority of their business from May to Sept is from Cruise ship passengers. Many Many many busloads of people head there from the Ogden dock. Their current location can accommodate 6 buses which park on site will the tourists take their 45 minute excursion inside.

Those tours are usually coordinated with and in conjunction with Butchart Gardens tours which is just up the road.

 

It would be a mistake to move them into Crystal Gardens due to all of the added motor coach traffic in an all ready congested area and due to lack of parking for said vehicles.

That building should be used for a distillery in my opinion along with a restaurant so that locals can enjoy the building free of charge and not be locked out due to having to pay admission to a tacky tourist operation



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Posted 23 October 2014 - 12:32 PM

The Butterfly Gardens plan is not to replace their existing location.


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Posted 23 October 2014 - 12:55 PM

Hmm. Ocean Networks could really make an interesting attraction, though I agree that the Shaw Discovery centre covers much of what ONC would do.

 

Butterfly gardens - meh. Though I disagree with HB's assessment regarding buses and parking. This is downtown. Cruise passengers would include it in a downtown visit - walking or drop off on Government as usual. Other visitors can use the parkades as usual. Not really any different than going to the RBCM.

 

Brewery - if done right, I like this option, though I'm still not convinced it can do as well as a casino.



#275 Nparker

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Posted 23 October 2014 - 01:33 PM

.... I'm still not convinced it can do as well as a casino.

I doubt any of the proposals would do as well as a casino. I guess the brewery is a slam-dunk. The other proposals are entirely ho-hum.



#276 Mr Cook Street

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Posted 23 October 2014 - 02:59 PM

I really hope its not a butterfly garden. That is something I would never go to. Distillery-restaurant-cafe-extras is something I would spend money at.


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#277 Mr Cook Street

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Posted 23 October 2014 - 03:01 PM

Now, is this going to take over the existing conference centre space in the CG or just a portion of it so the City can still use it for overflow conventions?

The whole thing I presume, excluding the existing retail around the base.



 



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