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#61 rjag

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Posted 07 November 2011 - 07:53 AM

Well one of the things taht couldcome of a runway expansion is that the new super cruiseships could be based here and this could bea huge boost to the city. In addition we could handle more direct regional flights.

While perhaps not above lowering taxes on business it is up there in my opinion. Its the old plumbing problem you can have the largest tap in the world but you are not going to increase water flow without making the pipes bigger.


The Cruise ships will only visit here, they will never begin a cruise from here because its too hard for passengers to travel to get here. They need a hub city such as Seattle or Vancouver, nice thought though.

#62 Mike K.

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Posted 07 November 2011 - 08:33 AM

That and the staging facility for cruise ships is nearly third world. Cruise ships won't woo anyone here with limited connections by air, a sub-par cruise facility and the added costs of traveling to what is really an out of the way location compared to Vancouver and Seattle (i.e., not everyone flies in for a departing cruise, and you can bet spending an additional several hours plus ferry fares to get here would be problematic).

I think the biggest economic priority in this region is proper highway exchanges along HWY1 followed by solving the Malahat problem. Currently the amount of money lost waiting for the highway to re-open after accidents and for congestion to ease particularly at HWY1/Admirals is costing this region a lot more than the loss of hypothetical direct flights envisioned to land here at least a decade after a runway is extended (the airport CEO admitted as much recently).

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#63 G-Man

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Posted 07 November 2011 - 08:51 AM

We can already accomodate larger ships than Vancouver the issue is that charter flights can't land a nd take off from here. It is not as far fetched as all of you seem to think.

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#64 Baro

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Posted 07 November 2011 - 11:49 AM

Yeah but what about the billions in health care costs james bay community states the STRESS of cruise ships costs the community? Extending the runway may end up costing trillions when the cruise ship and bus stress related illnesses in James bay is factored in.
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#65 Hotel Mike

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Posted 07 November 2011 - 12:07 PM

Yeah but what about the billions in health care costs james bay community states the STRESS of cruise ships costs the community? Extending the runway may end up costing trillions when the cruise ship and bus stress related illnesses in James bay is factored in.

Wow. Billions in health care costs? I live in James Bay. I put up with some noise, crowding, buses and ship exhaust each summer. I love to see the ships in port, and I love to see tourists in my city spending money in our stores and restaurants, and using taxis, pedi cabs etc. Other than some anecdotal cases of someone feeling like their throat is itching, there is nothing to indicate any negative health effects. Should the ships plug in if they can make that work? Sure...that would be an improvement in many areas. But get a life. Those cruise ships are gold!

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Posted 07 November 2011 - 12:29 PM

Wow. Billions in health care costs? I live in James Bay. I put up with some noise, crowding, buses and ship exhaust each summer. I love to see the ships in port, and I love to see tourists in my city spending money in our stores and restaurants, and using taxis, pedi cabs etc. Other than some anecdotal cases of someone feeling like their throat is itching, there is nothing to indicate any negative health effects. Should the ships plug in if they can make that work? Sure...that would be an improvement in many areas. But get a life. Those cruise ships are gold!


I think he was being fecesitious. :D

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Posted 07 November 2011 - 03:06 PM

^ really I was thought Baro was Tim Van Alstine :)

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#68 Mike K.

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Posted 07 November 2011 - 04:51 PM

We can already accomodate larger ships than Vancouver the issue is that charter flights can't land a nd take off from here. It is not as far fetched as all of you seem to think.


That's very true regarding larger ships, but the majority of patrons flying into Vancouver to connect to cruise ships use existing scheduled flights, some of which depend on cruise ship passengers.

Domestic and US airlines can already serve Victoria with a 7,000 foot runway. Plenty of major airports in the US have identical or shorter runways and connect the entire content (this includes Chicago's Midway, New York's La Guardia and LA's John Wayne).

The issue with Victoria Intl isn't the runway, it's the proximity of Seattle and Vancouver and that will for a very, very long time impact this region's ability to attract scheduled flights.

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#69 LJ

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Posted 07 November 2011 - 06:49 PM

That's very true regarding larger ships, but the majority of patrons flying into Vancouver to connect to cruise ships use existing scheduled flights, some of which depend on cruise ship passengers.
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The airline passengers that are connecting directly with a cruise ship in YVR are also transitted "in bond" to the cruise ships and back to the airport so that they don't have to clear customs either.

In YYJ you can't even get US pre-clearance on a flight.

The inaugural West Jet flight to PHX took 45 minutes to clear.
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Posted 11 November 2011 - 07:47 PM

First off, please everyone, it's time to stop referring to the mess at McTavish as a "roundabout".

It is not a true roundabout, as it has a mess of dedicated lanes and exits you can't get to from the roundabout. Neither is it an interchange, obviously. It's some horrible half-breed, that only MoT could "invented". Maybe the engineer from the City of Victoria that put poles in front of the outdoor stage at Centennial Square was thought such a genius by his peers that he has now moved up to the Province, and is designing newer ways to mess up perfectly good things?

Secondly, think about cruise ships coming and going from Victoria. Even the normal ones now hold >2,000 people. That's 5x Boeing 747's worth of passengers, or, more than ALL of WestJet's daily seats to Victoria. Then you have to bus them back and forth to the airport (40 ancient stinking busses anyone?). Unless these passengers are all coming via Vancouver, where are those planes going to come from? How are you going to get all of those passengers to Victoria from all accross the continent before noon on a Sunday? And then you have to have the planes all sit on the ground at the same time for a few hours while those 40 busses come back to the airport and drop off their outbound passengers. Even if you spread the flights over the course of the day (and have a few hundred people hanging around the airport) it's not going to make sense unless all the planes are full....It's a complete logistical nightmare. Not going to happen. Not enough margin to justify the expense.

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Posted 11 November 2011 - 08:26 PM

^ Sounds good to me.

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Posted 13 November 2011 - 07:21 PM

First off, please everyone, it's time to stop referring to the mess at McTavish as a "roundabout".

It is not a true roundabout, as it has a mess of dedicated lanes and exits you can't get to from the roundabout. Neither is it an interchange, obviously. It's some horrible half-breed, that only MoT could "invented". Maybe the engineer from the City of Victoria that put poles in front of the outdoor stage at Centennial Square was thought such a genius by his peers that he has now moved up to the Province, and is designing newer ways to mess up perfectly good things?

Secondly, think about cruise ships coming and going from Victoria. Even the normal ones now hold >2,000 people. That's 5x Boeing 747's worth of passengers, or, more than ALL of WestJet's daily seats to Victoria. Then you have to bus them back and forth to the airport (40 ancient stinking busses anyone?). Unless these passengers are all coming via Vancouver, where are those planes going to come from? How are you going to get all of those passengers to Victoria from all accross the continent before noon on a Sunday? And then you have to have the planes all sit on the ground at the same time for a few hours while those 40 busses come back to the airport and drop off their outbound passengers. Even if you spread the flights over the course of the day (and have a few hundred people hanging around the airport) it's not going to make sense unless all the planes are full....It's a complete logistical nightmare. Not going to happen. Not enough margin to justify the expense.


Part of what you say is valid. Not everyone comes via the airport for a cruise. They don't all arrive at once. They don't all take charter flights. Some of them come days ahead of time to sightsee, some of them come from Vancouver via the ferry after being there for a few days sightseeing, some would come via the Clipper from Seattle. In Vancouver there is usually 1-3 dedicated narrow body aircraft bringing in passengers for a particular cruise on charter flights.
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Posted 15 April 2019 - 01:06 PM

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Identified in blue is a 600 foot extension to the western end of runway 09-27, the longest runway at Victoria International Airport. Although shorter than the initially planned sub-1,500 foot extension announced a decade ago, the scaled down plan is more practical, according to the airport authority's board, which cites advancement in aircraft technology as permitting shorter runways for larger aircraft.

 

600 foot runway extension at Victoria International Airport eyed for 2023-2024

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