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#21 LJ

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Posted 31 July 2011 - 08:02 PM

Ok, so I get registered on the NZBmatrix site, very limited access unless you pay them. You can't search, can't download anything older than 20 days, etc.

Finally find something I want to download, download it, then whoops, can't read a .nzb file extension. Let Windows search for a solution and all that comes up are companies trying to sell you "file cure" reg cure" type solutions. Search for myself for programs that will open .nzb and come up with a list. They all want you to buy them. Find one that is free, it wants me to provide with way too much info for my comfort level.

Uninstall all.

I think I will stick with piratebay type sites or get netflix.

But come to think of it my pvrs are 90% full now so maybe I will just watch stuff I have already saved!
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#22 sebberry

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Posted 31 July 2011 - 08:14 PM

So much easier to walk to the neighbourhood movie store :)

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#23 D.L.

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Posted 31 July 2011 - 09:38 PM

One of the rules in the forum here is no illegal activity, and although it hasn't been broken I think the spirit of it has. :(

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Posted 31 July 2011 - 10:08 PM

^ "In June 2005, the Liberal Party of the federal government introduced Bill C-60, which would amend the Copyright Act to, among other things, specifically make the "making available" of copyrighted music files on peer-to-peer systems illegal. However, parliament was dissolved later that year due to a non-confidence motion, and the bill was never passed."

As an aside, in British Columbia in 1985 Pat McGeer, a BC MLA manufactured a satellite dish out of plywood and installed it on the lawn of the Legislature buildings. His statement at the time was that "If you do not want me to watch your program, get your signal out of my back yard."

Rafe Mair subsequently installed a similar dish in his backyard and invited friends to a barbeque and charged them $1.00 to watch. He then sent his confession to Francis Fox a federal minister and challenged him to prosecute. Fox did not respond.

Canada is one of the only developed countries in the world that does not consider it a crime to listen to or watch content shared by others for personal use.

It is not illegal in Canada to watch or listen to copyright material for personal use or to view satellite signals.

http://en.wikipedia....aring_in_Canada

#25 Sparky

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Posted 31 July 2011 - 11:38 PM

This article was written 7 years ago, and nothing has changed since.

http://news.cnet.com..._3-5182641.html

All proposed bills to amend the Canadian Copyright Act have either died on the floor, or parliament has been dissolved before the required readings could be completed.

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Posted 31 July 2011 - 11:47 PM

But now that Harper has his majority ;)

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#27 Sparky

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Posted 31 July 2011 - 11:51 PM

Yes Seb, the law might change, and I think it will. This was a priority of the minority Conservative Government before the coalition voted in non confidence.

I just took exception to Dylan's unhappy face because he may have thought that the topic we were discussing was illegal. It's not.

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Posted 01 August 2011 - 12:05 AM

This article was written 7 years ago, and nothing has changed since.

http://news.cnet.com..._3-5182641.html

All proposed bills to amend the Canadian Copyright Act have either died on the floor, or parliament has been dissolved before the required readings could be completed.


Interesting to note that the judge in this case is now the chairman of the CRTC.

#29 jklymak

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Posted 01 August 2011 - 06:27 AM

I just took exception to Dylan's unhappy face because he may have thought that the topic we were discussing was illegal. It's not.


Hard to see how its morally justifiable though... If you think Hollywood charges too much for your media, don't buy it. But stealing it is not right just because of some judge's overly broad interpretation of "fair use".

#30 rjag

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Posted 01 August 2011 - 06:51 AM

Al this talk of whether its legal or illegal is quite interesting.

The whole concept of accessing materal through the internet and the resultant regulation etc is like King Canute trying to control the tide....never gonna happen.

The CRTC can regulate TV and radio etc but there is no way they can control what is broadcast over the internet unless they repress our rights and they treat us like China.

They can try to regulate it but thats like herding cats.

The video store was killed by video on demand and now video on demand will be killed by the internet....I gve it less than 5 years and you will see huge changes in our industry as companies like Shaw (content providers) scramble to try and protect themselves from the very thing they took advantage of to gain market share.

#31 martini

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Posted 01 August 2011 - 08:20 AM

Hard to see how its morally justifiable though... If you think Hollywood charges too much for your media, don't buy it. But stealing it is not right just because of some judge's overly broad interpretation of "fair use".


This has to be one of my biggest peeves. I consider it a crime of entitlement.
It seems it's usually the suspects that can easily afford to pay that find a way around it.
I'm on a pretty limited budget and can honestly say I never pirate.

Who do you think pays the artists for starters?

This especially relates to the music industry.

#32 Sparky

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Posted 01 August 2011 - 09:03 AM

Hard to see how its morally justifiable though... If you think Hollywood charges too much for your media, don't buy it. But stealing it is not right just because of some judge's overly broad interpretation of "fair use".


I would agree with you if I were stealing it, but in this country (so far) sharing has a different legal description than stealing. (And that one judge that you speak of, separates us Canadians from the likes of the hapless citizens of some Muslim countries where one would loose a hand for stealing, so interpretation is important here.)

I could appreciate the moral high ground that you stand on.... as long as you could assure us all that you have never watched a music video on youtube. (Nice avatar by the way....did you make that yourself?)

Not one person has ever faced a judge in this country for downloading or sharing a file from the internet for personal use, unless it was connected to child pornography.

Interestingly enough, some of our country's legal opinions stem from the use of photo copying. We would have to look long and hard to find a Canadian over the age of 10 that has not partaken in that "morally unjustifiable" procedure. (yes that was a popular opinion at one time)

My point about Dylan's comment was about legality. In my opinion, he (and probably along with a great number of other people) was wrong to assume that the act of downloading and sharing files in this country is against the law.

I was just stating a fact so that he could feel less disgruntled about this discussion taking place on his forum, and I don't blame him for not knowing the facts. It's complicated.

This topic needs it's own thread, it could go on forever.

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Posted 01 August 2011 - 09:17 AM

I wonder how long it will be before we're hit with a copy/piracy levy on our internet service. We're already paying it on blank CD/DVD media.

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#34 Sparky

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Posted 01 August 2011 - 09:23 AM

I wonder how long it will be before we're hit with a copy/piracy levy on our internet service. We're already paying it on blank CD/DVD media.


Great point Seb, we happily pay the copyright fees on a recordable CD, but what about a "thumb drive", what about an iphone? Technology is moving so fast, we as a society are having a hard time keeping up with the changes.

#35 jklymak

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Posted 01 August 2011 - 11:03 AM

The video store was killed by video on demand and now video on demand will be killed by the internet....


Maybe, depending on what you mean by "VOD" and "internet". Netflix quickly replaced bit torrent as the biggest user of bandwidth. I think a) most people don't have the expertise to use something like bittorrent, b) and even for those that do, they appreciate that it is immoral to do so. If a convenient way to pay comes along, then I think most people are willing to use it. A couple of years ago, if you wanted to watch a DVD on your computer, and not have to carry the media around, it was more convenient to use bit torrent. I don't think thats the case anymore.

Regardless, I agree that the brick and mortar delivery of content is largely dead.

#36 jklymak

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Posted 01 August 2011 - 11:05 AM

we happily pay the copyright fees on a recordable CD,


We do? I greatly resent having to pay a copyright fee to compensate movie and music studios for content I didn't enjoy the use of just so I can back some data up.

#37 Layne French

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Posted 02 August 2011 - 11:35 AM

I would suggest the roots of the problem go back farther than VOD or Netflix style delivery. Blockbuster et al. were loosing their profitability long before these two technologies became mainstream. I would suggest the shift from VHS to DVD did more damage than the other two. Simply put the low cost of replication of a DVD, allowed the film companies to lower prices of "older" movies at a faster rate than under VHS. This allowed year old movies to be sold for $12.99 or such, which is hard to turn down when you are charging $5.65 to rent it.

When I worked for Blockbuster in Edmonton, this was a common complaint that the rental fees were too close to the purchasing price of the unit at various other retailers.

#38 maniac78

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Posted 02 August 2011 - 01:15 PM

Yeah as long as "artists" demand money from DVD/CD sale taxes and the law says it's legal I'll continue to download to ensure no "artist" gets any of my money. I stopped buying CDs and DVDs in Canada years ago because of that tax. I only get them on the internet delivered to Point Roberts and brought over by a friend duty free. I used to pay $11 a month for newsgroup access but now it's down to $3 a month. Once netflix Canada goes HD and gets more stuff I'll probably just switch to that though since it is more convenient.

 



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