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#9661 Mike K.

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Posted 16 May 2024 - 09:54 AM

I didn't say anything about people.

 

I did say there are too many buses downtown on a single thoroughfare, though (running mostly empty for much [most?] of the day).

 

Gary, to get a better understanding of the scenario, calculate the number of buses entering downtown, then calculate how much capacity they have. We already know the mode share of transit is at its peak 22% during the rush, but we can also calculate the daily influx of people into downtown, then compare the number of seats on all of those buses entering downtown, vs. the number of people we know transit handles outside of the rush (it's around 10%, isn't it?). It's a shockingly small figure of passengers, relative to capacity.

 

Our transit system can be much more efficient.


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Posted 18 May 2024 - 10:27 PM

So what that's like double the number of people on the bus on Douglas than in the car

Cars use other streets than Douglas, while - as you noted a few posts back - the buses almost all use Douglas.

 

The answer - which city council hasn't got the cojones to do, but it is the answer - is to fully re-open Government all the way along and then make it one-way southbound from Hillside to Belleville; and to make Douglas one-way northbound from Belleville to Hillside.  That way, both streets will have enough room for all the special-use lanes and vehicle traffic can still move.



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Posted 19 May 2024 - 06:16 AM

Also, Blanshard is going to be redesigned, so there may he lane reductions coming.

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#9664 GaryOak

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Posted 19 May 2024 - 02:36 PM

If you're going fully reopen government to vehicle traffic, you might as well only open it up to buses and turn that into the bus corridor. But that ain't going to happen because government is far too busy with pedestrians.

#9665 Mike K.

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Posted 20 May 2024 - 07:15 AM

It’s not far too busy with pedestrians, come on now :)

It’s a dead zone eight months of the year now. That’s why 7-11 closed, too few people.
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Posted 21 May 2024 - 04:36 AM

Douglas Street could start to see changes in its traffic flow before the end of this year, after Victoria council voted to have its staff alter the hours of some dedicated bus lanes and start work on designs to expand the bus-lane network.

 

Council has directed staff to establish by the end of this year 24/7 bus lanes between Herald Street and Hillside Avenue, currently designated as bus lanes only at peak travel times.

 

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B.C. Transit told council that buses make up about three per cent of traffic but carry about 40 per cent of the people along the Douglas Street corridor each day.

 

According to B.C. Transit, ridership has been strong since it launched its rapid-bus service last year, with more than 10,000 passengers each day riding just one route — the 95 express bus that runs between the legislature and Langford Exchange. West Shore commuters have saved about 20 minutes on the commute, the transit agency said.

 

 

https://www.timescol...s-lanes-8765815

 

 

 

 

 

What people are saying about extending bus lanes on Douglas Street

 

 

Rob Ekstrom, owner of The Palms Restaurant & Lounge on Douglas Street and Pandora Avenue, said his immediate concern is the potential loss of parking. The majority of his customers drive downtown and are unlikely to take transit, he said.

 

“Every weekend I get multiple phone calls for people cancelling reservations because they can’t find parking,” he said. “They won’t park in the parkades and walk because they don’t feel safe.”

 

A growing number of customers live within walking distance, but they only makes up about a quarter of his regular clientele. “If I relied exclusively on that, we’d be out of business in a month.”

 

Joel Exposito, owner of the Fresko One World restaurant on Yates Street just off Douglas, is concerned about whether there’s enough space for a bus lane on Douglas where the road narrows from six lanes to four.

 

“I’m not totally convinced,” he said. “But it could possibly work on Douglas … if we have the room and the space.”

 

Traffic is “overwhelming” for both transit users and drivers during rush hour on Douglas, he said. “After a hard day of work, they just want to get home, and they want to get home as soon as possible,” said Exposito, while waiting at a bus stop.

 

Exposito said he would prefer establishing a dedicated bus lane on the highway from Victoria to Langford before any changes are made to Douglas.

 

Fernando Jardon, who has a regular bus commute from James Bay through downtown, said it would be “amazing” if buses could skip the traffic on Douglas Street.

 

Jardon, who is from Mexico, is no stranger to dysfunctional traffic flows. “Where I come from, you [usually] have to wait one hour in traffic,” he said. “If you go to downtown Mexico City, you could sit in traffic for around two hours.”

 

Avid pedestrian Nell Saba said Douglas is her least favourite street in the capital region. “I avoid it when I can.”

 

“It’s just so obviously a street that serves cars,” said Saba, who racked up close to 6,700 kilometres of walking last year. “But at the same time, they’re not getting anywhere. Like, there’s so much congestion.”

 

Saba said she would welcome signal light changes that would improve pedestrian safety on Douglas Street. “It doesn’t have to be so miserable.”

 

Angela Empig said she finds herself avoiding Douglas Street when cycling in favour of dedicated bike paths or quieter streets. “I think it’s pretty crowded.”

 

Speaking from outside the city-operated bike-parking serviced on Pandora Avenue, Empig said “it’s not the end of the world” if cyclists lose their painted bike lanes on Douglas Street to bus lanes.

 

“With public transit growing, and there being more people needing access through that — sure, why not?”


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Posted 21 May 2024 - 06:07 AM

Won’t park in the parkade and walk 3 blocks? Wtf

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#9668 Mike K.

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Posted 21 May 2024 - 06:24 AM

According to B.C. Transit, ridership has been strong since it launched its rapid-bus service last year, with more than 10,000 passengers each day riding just one route — the 95 express bus that runs between the legislature and Langford Exchange. West Shore commuters have saved about 20 minutes on the commute, the transit agency said.



Again with the 20 minute claim. That is simply not true. What are they comparing when making that claim? I have the old schedules and there is no savings of 20 minutes.

Also, is 10,000 passengers = to 5,000 people? That’s a tiny number of individuals.
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#9669 mbjj

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Posted 21 May 2024 - 02:07 PM

Nell Saba, really? That nutbar is the best they could come up with? Even I know who she is! 



#9670 Hotel Mike

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Posted 21 May 2024 - 02:50 PM

Part of the plan is to make Douglas Street, between Bellville and Humboldt, a bus only area with no car traffic. That would be really stupid. It's hard enough getting in and out of James Bay. This would eliminate the choice of Douglas Street when coming off Superior for heading north. Just what we don't need.


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Posted 21 May 2024 - 02:59 PM

No cars on half of Government, half the cars removed from Douglas, and essentially no cars on much of Vancouver. This pretty much ensures gridlock on Blanshard, Quadra and Cook, the few remaining - mostly unimpeded - north-south traffic arteries in the core of the city. What a ****ing disaster.


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#9672 LJ

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Posted 21 May 2024 - 07:36 PM

Maybe they could make it buses only on Govt. southbound and then make Blanshard the northbound route. Take the buses right off Douglas at Hillside and then only buses from Yates southbound.


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Posted 22 May 2024 - 02:14 PM

And Cook St. has been unusable for months now in the stretch between Fairfield and Fort. 



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Posted 22 May 2024 - 09:36 PM

If you're going fully reopen government to vehicle traffic, you might as well only open it up to buses and turn that into the bus corridor. But that ain't going to happen because government is far too busy with pedestrians.

Close Wharf St south of Yates and make that the pedestrian corridor.



#9675 Vin

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Posted 23 May 2024 - 04:07 PM

The transportation modes in our region aren’t changing much. Vehicle ownership keeps growing.

That shows the failure of public transportation using the current model.



 



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