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#21 baconnbits

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Posted 20 December 2011 - 02:25 PM

I would not support having the City pay for any renovations to RAP for the benefit of a private company.

If professional baseball makes financial sense, the team should build their own stadium. In fundamentally disagree with any public money being spent on professional sports.


if the city builds it and retains ownership of the stadium it can lease the building out to various tenants provided they offer a positive cash flow, allowing the city to get a return on its investment.

alternatively, the city can redevelop it and lease it at an appropriate rate, so as to provide the city with a suitable return on its cost, to a private operator who will manage and operate the building.

I don't have a problem with the city renovating the facility provided they get a return on the cost or at least break even. i can't fathom how the city redeveloping the grounds to suit baseball would do that however. the crowds aren't there and a diamond limits the attractiveness to a multitude of other sports that could bring in as good if not better crowds than a sub par semi-pro baseball team.

that said, the sports i am referring to are largely amateur anyways.

#22 tedward

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Posted 20 February 2012 - 11:04 AM

I would not support having the City pay for any renovations to RAP for the benefit of a private company.

How about giving control of the stadium to a private company without competitive bids or commitment to investment in the facility?

City staff are still negotiating in secret to turn RAP over to a non-existent baseball team and there has been no word on what sort of deal the team is proposing. Are they going to fund renovations? Are they going to pay a fee for the privilege? Current tenants are being shut out of the process with only vague assurances that they will be able to secure use of the facility after 2012.

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#23 Lorne Carnes

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Posted 14 May 2012 - 08:26 PM

No one has pointed out that Royal Athletic "Park" is actually zoned R2, and as such could be sold by Council at any time. The public planning process would only come into play if purchasers wished to change the zoning from the current Two Family Dwelling or sought variances.

#24 Bernard

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Posted 15 May 2012 - 10:56 AM

No one has pointed out that Royal Athletic "Park" is actually zoned R2, and as such could be sold by Council at any time. The public planning process would only come into play if purchasers wished to change the zoning from the current Two Family Dwelling or sought variances.


There is park zoning in Victoria other than a specific one for the Cathedral precinct another for the Inner Harbour. Pioneer Park is one zoned as a park by the Cathedral. Most of the Inner Harbour Park is not what you think is park - Fisherman's Wharf Park is part of that.

Almost all the parks are some sort of R zoning. Hollywood Park is R1-G, Stadacona Park is R1-B

#25 Lorne Carnes

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Posted 17 May 2012 - 03:25 PM

Do we have any idea how much it costs to maintain Royal Athletic... and what revenue the City generates from the current community user groups?

#26 Lorne Carnes

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Posted 19 May 2012 - 07:22 AM

With a little digging I found the 2011 budget for Royal Athletic. Expenditure $509,967 vs revenue $ 374,125. Looks like City needs tenant to bring in added revenue and pay property tax. Assume anyone looking to lease would expect a very long term exclusive before committing capital for improvements.

One option could have Council sell the property. Use proceeds to develop separate sport specific facilities elsewhere in the community. Allow developers higher density in exchange for amenity of smaller neighbourhood park on site.

#27 baconnbits

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Posted 24 June 2012 - 01:21 AM

Selling would be a terrible idea. The stadium is well located within the city and keeping the facility near crystal garden, the curling rink and save on foods arena creates a strong sports precinct within the downtown area. the problem is how difficult the city seems to be at dealing with the property.
the city should be striving for more regular tenants. the highlanders are there and now a baseball team again. letting the victoria rebels go was a bad idea. not sure on the numbers they attracted, but as an open air facility I'd imagine operating the park is not that expensive (confirmed by total operating costs of 500k a year)
further, the city should be looking to lock in some major events each year. beer fest and the music fest are great additions. there should be more of them.
rugby canada is headquartered in langford. with rugby's strong following in victoria the city should be locking in one national men's test game a year which would easily pull 7,000 in vic and possibly even higher if they were to secure a canada usa test match, market the game in vic, seattle and vancouver.
the victoria international 7's should be held at RAP. The city should try to secure a women's national soccer team game a year.
on top of all this, an effort to renovate and improve the facility should be undertaken, maybe this means a lottery to raise funds or private equity (which will only get involved if the city works to get more events at the stadium)
i find it interesting that langford has poached rugby and football from the city and now this (see the bottom comments from stew young)
http://www.timescolo...1873/story.html
i just wonder what the city of victoria is doing sometimes....

there are so many events they could bring to the park in the winter/spring as well - high school soccer finals, high school rugby finals, the smus/oak bay boot game has drawn over 1,000 people several times, major games between castaways, uvic, and James Bay rugby.
it's just about making a bit more of an effort. all of these could draw strong crowds, bring money into the stadium and draw people downtown to spend more money.

annoying.

#28 amor de cosmos

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Posted 09 September 2013 - 07:44 AM

what's with victoria? It used to be such a great place. Now it's being outdone by layritz & even a saanich middle school. that field has some real levelling & drainage issues that need sorting out. who do they expect to use it with so many other options? maybe they tried & there was always one neighbour who objected to the possible noise, or there were a couple people who didn't want a private sports team to benefit from the city's investment. maybe they'll do something, I noticed the two diamonds behind the crystal are both dug up. not sure what the plan is there but things are happening.

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