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[PraiseKek]

Yep I'm on job number 15 in my 20 year career. Always been my choice to leave for more money/better opportunity. Not being able to buy a place is an income problem and it's easily solvable by getting a better job.

[sdwright.vic]

This is a Govenment town... lots of people stick with there lower paying Government jobs to get a pension.

Edited by sdwright.vic, 27 July 2018 - 09:03 AM.

[rjag]

Thus is a Govenment town... lots of people stick with there lower paying Government jobs to get a pension.

 

Lower paying Government jobs???? maybe 30 years ago that was the case.....

[lanforod]

Lower paying Government jobs???? maybe 30 years ago that was the case.....

 

In my field for sure, the jobs are significantly lower paying than the private sector (IT).

[sdwright.vic]

Yeah... it's a myth that Government workers make more than private sector.

[spanky123]

Yeah... it's a myth that Government workers make more than private sector.

 

I think that is junior / less skilled roles then Government workers get paid far more than in the private sector. I would agree though that in senior positions it is far less. When I say senior though it is perhaps the top 5%. For the majority of workers in the middle, pay is similar although benefits and workloads in the public sector tend to be more favourable.

Edited by spanky123, 27 July 2018 - 08:00 AM.

[tedward]

Yeah... it's a myth that Government workers make more than private sector.

 

It is worse than a myth. It is a malicious lie based on cherry-picking and Randian ideology. Given the rate of inflation in Victoria over the last two decades (especially in housing) and the wage increases of government workers over that same time, most government jobs in BC are making less money now than they were in 1998. Sure, some of that is deferred to retirement as pension, but it still means that housing has become ridiculously unaffordable which is defined by the Government as paying more than 30% of gross income on housing.

 

[spanky123]

It is worse than a myth. It is a malicious lie based on cherry-picking and Randian ideology. Given the rate of inflation in Victoria over the last two decades (especially in housing) and the wage increases of government workers over that same time, most government jobs in BC are making less money now than they were in 1998. Sure, some of that is deferred to retirement as pension, but it still means that housing has become ridiculously unaffordable which is defined by the Government as paying more than 30% of gross income on housing.

 

 

In the last couple of years the private sector has seen reasonable wage increases compared to the CPI but there was a period after 2008 when private sector employees were lucky to keep their jobs let alone get any raises. 

 

Your point about spending 30% of income on a mortgage is a good one and what I think is the #1 issue here. It is not that houses/rents are expensive, especially when compared to other markets, it is that we have a lack of well paying jobs. If you and your partner are both making $100K+ a year, which would be an average professional job in lots of cities, then buying or renting here is not a problem. There are not a lot of those jobs however and the average person is working for far less because we have an economy that rewards SJW issues at the expense of the businesses who would grow and expand here and pay the six figure salaries.

Edited by spanky123, 27 July 2018 - 08:10 AM.

[Nparker]

Hopefully the NIMBYs won't de-rail this worthwhile project.

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Edited by Nparker, 27 July 2018 - 08:56 AM.

[tjv]

Yeah... it's a myth that Government workers make more than private sector.

I think it depends on which position you are in.  A friends kid makes 26-27/hr mowing lawns, etc for the City.  Try getting that anywhere in the private sector

 

Middle management for sure, I have seen positions at VIHA and UVic that I am qualified for and the salaries are pathetic.  I almost want to apply just for laughs and at the interview ask them if it comes with a free closet to sleep in.

[Mike K.]

Yeah, my friend just landed a job with the CoV as a skilled labour worker. He calls his new job "retirement" compared to the private side of the equation where he's worked his entire life.

[rjag]

Yeah... it's a myth that Government workers make more than private sector.

really? less than 90 seconds of searching

 

https://www.crd.bc.c...ription?id=3290

 

https://www.crd.bc.c...ription?id=3299

 

https://www.crd.bc.c...ription?id=3301

 

https://www.crd.bc.c...ription?id=3300

Edited by rjag, 27 July 2018 - 10:17 AM.

[lanforod]

^ with the possible exception of the management one I think those are all paid under private sector; especially the business analyst one, which may be 30 grand too low.

[rjag]

https://www2.gov.bc....ookuptool/grids

[rjag]

^ with the possible exception of the management one I think those are all paid under private sector; especially the business analyst one, which may be 30 grand too low.

 

Can you show equivalent private sector jobs that pay more that also include defined pension plans etc? Also what is the price of job security in government compared to private?

 

It used to be that if you could get a job in Government when you were 20 tha you would be able to retire on a full pension plus benefits by the time you were 55....the trade-off was lesser pay but job security, fixed hours and flex days etc in exchange.

 

Compared to the private sector where there is no job security, very very few pension plans etc 

[lanforod]

No, because you just picked out the reasons that public sector is still able to hire . There are fields where the public sector salary, even taking into account benefits, pension and job security is still too low though. 

Take a look at this one: https://uvic.mua.hrd...ting/view/4061 

 

This is a easily 200k job in most areas.

[rjag]

No, because you just picked out the reasons that public sector is still able to hire . There are fields where the public sector salary, even taking into account benefits, pension and job security is still too low though. 

Take a look at this one: https://uvic.mua.hrd...ting/view/4061 

 

This is a easily 200k job in most areas.

it doesnt follow through, says invalid 

 

I'm sure if we cherry pick we'll all find jobs that are higher in one area or another....it may not be the case in Provincial jobs but municipal jobs are very skewed to higher salaries. Pretty well most of what we pay in increased property taxes are to offset continual salary adjustments

[sdwright.vic]

really? less than 90 seconds of searching

https://www.crd.bc.c...ription?id=3290

https://www.crd.bc.c...ription?id=3299

https://www.crd.bc.c...ription?id=3301

https://www.crd.bc.c...ription?id=3300

Once again CRD and City salaries are over inflated. The provincial and federal government jobs. Not so much.

[sdwright.vic]

Also BC, especially the island are under paid in comparison to elsewhere.

[spanky123]

https://www.fraserin...h-columbia-2017

 

I guess ultimately if public sector workers feel that they are underpaid for their work then they are free to join the private sector at any time. Other than the senior positions I mentioned earlier, I rarely see it happening though.