800 block of Yates: changes
#41
Posted 29 November 2006 - 08:46 PM
M0nkeyman, Victoria has some alleys between Yates and Johnson but they're mostly hidden. Does anyone have that great map of LeFevre's plan to open up the 500 block alleys? If so, start a new thread on it.
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#42
Posted 30 November 2006 - 10:36 AM
The one by London Drugs is bad but mostly because it deadends in a parking lot. As a pedestrian I do use that one quite often.
Me too, on my grocery store to beer store run!
#43
Posted 01 December 2006 - 10:46 AM
It could be either
- an open air walkway
- an enclosed walkway like the Fort St. Royal Bank mall
- half and half like the Broughton to Fort Lindholm/Rohani building
- an indoor retail mall like St. Andrews
- an indoor non-retail path, perhaps with billboards or artwork (maybe like a Metro station?)
- a parkade pathway like the View St. Parkade
Whatever it is, it has to conform to [url=http://www.cpted.net/home.html:d1e97]CPTED[/url:d1e97] safety guidelines to make sure it's a safe place to enter.
#44
Posted 03 December 2006 - 01:00 PM
This has probably already been mentioned, but the height of that proposed building next to the Capitol 6 is 65.9 metres which is obviously a big improvement over the 14 story building i thought was going in there. That should make it about the same height as Astoria. :tup:
#45
Posted 04 December 2006 - 12:18 PM
#46
Posted 04 December 2006 - 12:29 PM
Yes, 819 Yates has been targetted for a walk way for a long time by the Planning Department.
It could be either
- an open air walkway
- an enclosed walkway like the Fort St. Royal Bank mall
- half and half like the Broughton to Fort Lindholm/Rohani building
- an indoor retail mall like St. Andrews
- an indoor non-retail path, perhaps with billboards or artwork (maybe like a Metro station?)
- a parkade pathway like the View St. Parkade
Whatever it is, it has to conform to [url=http://www.cpted.net/home.html:db487]CPTED[/url:db487] safety guidelines to make sure it's a safe place to enter.
Oh good grief...can we please stop with these walkways? Is it really that difficult to walk the extra 10 meters to Blanshard?
For every walkway that is somewhat of a success in Victoria for the reasons outlined above there are several the misrably fail and hurt nearby buildings (crime, drug use, etc). The folks at City Hall need to recognize that these walkways are only great ideas on paper. In the real world outside of City Hall's walls, not so much.
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#47
Posted 04 December 2006 - 03:26 PM
Note that the St. Vincent de Paul building is presently mid-block.
#48
Posted 04 December 2006 - 03:49 PM
Anybody remember how you could cut through from Pandora to Johnson to get to the parking lot at Peacock Billiards? I believe there was a hole in the fence. You can't do that anymore. Then, after they built that office building on the corner, you could climb over the railing in the loading dock area and cut through the east side walkway. You can't do that anymore, either.
We weren't desperate for a cut-through, we were just being lazy jerks.
#49
Posted 05 December 2006 - 01:00 PM
There was a small article in some newspaper last week about how they are blocking the walkway through the Johnson Street Parkade for a pilot project. Safety concerns I believe.
#50
Posted 05 December 2006 - 03:06 PM
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#51
Posted 06 December 2006 - 10:08 PM
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#52
Posted 06 December 2006 - 10:17 PM
Also on the agenda is a development permit for 1006 Wharf Street. I don't know what this is--I don't have it in my records. Is this the old Customs Building? It's not the Milestone's patio variance application.
Also, the old Bay building will be getting its heritage designation and the Dockside Annual report will be presented. I don't know if there will be any discussion on that though.
Sorry for including off topic info!
#53
Posted 07 December 2006 - 05:59 AM
I tried the Manhattan Yates to Johnson walkway last night but it was gated mid point. I never knew it went through--there's nothing to indicate that it might be publicly accesible or that it connects with Johnson. Of course there are many turns and changes in elevation and places to hide. And this is a recent one! I thought we were getting better at making these!
For years after the manhattan was finished that was a convenient shortcut. I remember when i first used it, thinking what a wonderful opportunity it afforded scrotes to break in to ground floor suites or steal from people's patios, because the backs of both the manhattan and that 4-story condo building on Johnson were totally vulnerable. It's beyond me why they couldn't have kept the shortcut and simply fenced off the back of the buildings. About a hundred yards away the pacific monarch on pandora had a similar shortcut around that building until they too fenced it off. These shortcuts simply don't work since they are obviously scumbag magnets, but City Hall obviously doesn't know or care about that.
Now, back to the topic.....
#54
Posted 07 December 2006 - 10:37 AM
If you're going to demand cut-throughs, make them legitimate. Put townhouses right on the path, put commercial space right on the path...and only put them in locations where they'd actually serve some practical use.
Is that so difficult??
#55
Posted 07 December 2006 - 11:23 AM
#56
Posted 08 December 2006 - 04:53 PM
The setback sucks, the finishing sucks, the design sucks, the height sucks, everything about it sucks.
Here's some examples:
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#57
Posted 08 December 2006 - 04:57 PM
The other photos of the finishing I am fine with. Not every building needs to be a Shoal Point.
#58
Posted 08 December 2006 - 05:04 PM
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#59
Posted 08 December 2006 - 05:14 PM
If we're going to accept crap like this, then we're willing to put up with anything! And this is what's been left facing the street, imagine the corners cut inside. I wouldn't accept this in my home. I'd be calling the contractors back to fix that corner....It's been left unfinished.
If we're going to be seen as something more than tower boosters, then we have to crucify the developers who do bad work, as much as we support and praise the people who do good.
The Wave is an attractive building from the second floor up. It's like the first floor was done by a completely different group of architects and contractors... with completely different budgets. :cry:
#60
Posted 08 December 2006 - 05:28 PM
I'm someone who has been involved in building construction and maintenance to some degree, and as long as something works that's usually where my interest stops. Making it look pretty can be someone else's job. If by unfinished you mean that spot could leak then ya that's bad and it will catch up and bite someone eventually.If we're going to be seen as something more than tower boosters, then we have to crucify the developers who do bad work, as much as we support and praise the people who do good.
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