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#21 bluefox

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Posted 05 October 2012 - 07:24 PM

Reminds me of what not to say at a job interview. "Yes, by biggest flaw? Well, it must be I work to hard".


That also falls under the category of what not to ask at a job interview. ;)
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#22 VicHockeyFan

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Posted 06 October 2012 - 06:31 AM

The “twitter-verse” has been alive with speculation over comments relating to place-names and the process of reconciliation with indigenous people.

In a classic example of “gotcha” journalism, a local reporter has tried to make the name of Victoria an issue in the upcoming federal by-election, slinging mud on a talk radio program. I responded truthfully when asked about comments from 2011, when I expressed my personal view as a historian that the city’s name may be appropriate for a community dialogue at some point in the future, if we are serious about building a new relationship with First Nations.

But I also made it clear that place-names are not a priority for me in this by-election campaign, nor are they primarily a federal issue.

I feel strongly that our community will be best served in the short and longer term by building respectful relationships with indigenous people, beginning with joint action on practical issues to address poverty and provide housing, employment, education and healthcare in urban areas and on reserves.

At some point, this process of reconciliation and relationship-building may examine the harmful legacy of colonization, providing unifying symbols that help us move beyond past wrongs.

But a top priority that First Nations and the entire community can agree on is the need to improve social conditions, to steward our natural environment, and to build an economy that works for everyone and sustains our communities over the long term. We need to focus our efforts to build substantive equality — equality of outcomes and opportunities — without being distracted by mud-slinging and mere symbolic acts.


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#23 VicHockeyFan

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Posted 06 October 2012 - 06:39 AM

Stephen Andrew, on Facebook:

I didn't think at the time that the response from Ben Isitt would generate such a huge response. Ben has since posted a response to the reaction on his website. He says it was "gotcha journalism". I disagree. Isitt first made the statement during an All Candidates meeting that I moderated in 2011. At the time he said that in his second term, he would work to change the name of Victoria to Camosun. On today's show, I asked ALL the candidates running for the NDP nomination in Victoria to identify their "Achilles heel". Isitt responded "brutal honesty". I added to that comment that if he were elected, perhaps the name of the riding would no longer be Victoria because he had previously said it should be changed. When he appeared to side step the comment, I pressed him.


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#24 VicHockeyFan

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Posted 06 October 2012 - 07:02 AM

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#25 VicHockeyFan

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Posted 06 October 2012 - 09:30 AM

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#26 VicHockeyFan

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Posted 06 October 2012 - 09:57 AM

Stephen Andrew on Facebook:

Ben Isitt you are welcome to return to Cfax1070 on Tuesday to discuss this, at which time I will respond to your "right wing media" and "mud-slinging" comments. Looking forward to speaking with you.


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#27 mysage

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Posted 06 October 2012 - 11:32 AM

Stephen Andrew, on Facebook:


Absolutely no doubt that Ben Issits "brutal honesty" is his Achilles heel. When his honesty comes through we see exposed an agenda that is wrapped in all of the feel good catch phrases of the day but in reality is all just facade for a socialist platform. You get what you vote for so be careful.

#28 VicHockeyFan

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Posted 06 October 2012 - 12:03 PM

Sounds like he has accepted Stephen Andrew's challenge. At the very least, Isitt says they will be re-playing his comment, on the show Tuesday morning. Tune in to CFAX.
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#29 VicHockeyFan

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Posted 06 October 2012 - 12:24 PM

Someone on Facebook suggested changing the CRD name to Camosun Regional District.

I'd be down with that.
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#30 Mike K.

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Posted 06 October 2012 - 01:34 PM

I like it.

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#31 Sparky

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Posted 06 October 2012 - 02:43 PM

Their logo will still work....upside down or not.

#32 VicHockeyFan

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Posted 06 October 2012 - 04:48 PM

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#33 dasmo

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Posted 06 October 2012 - 07:33 PM

If he get's us all to amalgamate then I would go for it ;-)

#34 Baro

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Posted 06 October 2012 - 09:46 PM

I'd call us Issitburg if he manages amalgamation
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#35 VicHockeyFan

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Posted 07 October 2012 - 08:28 AM

John Luton, on Facebook:

I was at the all candidates meeting where Ben proposed the name change as a priority for his second term on council and I recall the proposal much as Stephen Andrew characterized it during the CFAX discussion the other day. I was offended first that someone should presume to have earned a second term before being elected to a first and though I agree with the substance of Ben's discussion of the more serious issues, spelled out on his web page, I don't believe you can disown a position you have put out in front of the public. I don't believe the storyline that the media is misrepresenting Ben's position and he needs to take ownership of the bad ideas along with the good. That said, there are so many other more important challenges to deal with at city hall and in Ottawa.


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#36 dasmo

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Posted 07 October 2012 - 08:43 AM

I remember an equally ridiculous proposal John made, before being elected, at the VicWest traffic planning workshop that mile zero of the trans canada trail be moved from VicWest to Fairfield. Resounding boo's emanated from the participants. Now that he has been elected it seems he is working on this agenda, just look at what's happening in beacon hill park and check out the map of the bike trails...

I find it shady to try and attach yourself to this controversy on the opposite side. Leave this to Ben to deal with alone. You should both be fired IMO... But If I was to choose sides, I would choose the foolish, honest one any day.

#37 VicHockeyFan

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Posted 07 October 2012 - 08:46 AM

I remember an equally ridiculous proposal John made, before being elected, at the VicWest traffic planning workshop that mile zero of the trans canada trail be moved from VicWest to Fairfield. Resounding boo's emanated from the participants. Now that he has been elected it seems he is working on this agenda, just look at what's happening in beacon hill park and check out the map of the bike trails...

I find it shady to try and attach yourself to this controversy on the opposite side. Leave this to Ben to deal with alone. You should both be fired IMO... But If I was to choose sides, I would choose the foolish, honest one any day.


Hold on one second, dasmo. John Luton was not elected last time around, he is not a councillor anymore.
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#38 Holden West

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Posted 07 October 2012 - 08:50 AM

Cheers to Luton for a sensible response to Isittgate.
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#39 Mike K.

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Posted 07 October 2012 - 08:57 AM

Yup, John Luton lost out in the last election. He still comments on civic issues almost as though he is still a councillor but I don't have a problem with someone who has actually walked the walk making an effort to remain engaged.

Dasmo, what was Luton's reasoning behind the mile-0 move? Surely he wasn't advocating that bicycle routes through town should count as a "trail?"

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#40 jonny

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Posted 07 October 2012 - 09:19 AM

What a stupid idea.

What's next? Change the names of Van Isle, Vancouver, Surrey, British Columbia...

IMO the english names to these places have much more historical and cultural meaning to our society than whatever the native names may have been.

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